Author Topic: One Kick Wonder - I want my bike to start 1st kick everytime (Read 6556 times)

HondaMan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2011, 08:12:35 PM »

Things to check with PD carbs on the early engine (cam issue): if you have pods instead of a proper airbox, that's a biggie. You might try either increasing the mainjet size at least a 5 step, or raise the slide needles at least one notch (if the carbs have needle notches, or use a thin washer shim instead).

Check the ignition timing, closely. Make sure it advances fully by 2500 RPM, and the advancer is not rusty and sluggish.

Try different condensors. The PD carbs run very lean, and old, leaking condensors will weaken the spark above 3000 RPM.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #26 on:** December 30, 2011, 08:28:18 PM »

Kick starters are for fags, real men push start their bikes LeMans style!

2010 Miller motorsports Bonnevile GP classics. LeMans style start, pt.2

HondaMan · « **Reply #27 on:** December 30, 2011, 08:34:59 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on December 30, 2011, 08:28:18 PM

Kick starters are for fags, real men push start their bikes LeMans style!

2010 Miller motorsports Bonnevile GP classics. LeMans style start, pt.2

Yeah, run alongside and jump on, then fly over the bars when it backfires!
(We won't talk about the pavement rash on my chin...).

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #28 on:** December 30, 2011, 08:42:20 PM »

Quote from: HondaMan on December 30, 2011, 08:34:59 PM

Quote from: Terry in Australia on December 30, 2011, 08:28:18 PM
Kick starters are for fags, real men push start their bikes LeMans style!

2010 Miller motorsports Bonnevile GP classics. LeMans style start, pt.2
Yeah, run alongside and jump on, then fly over the bars when it backfires!
(We won't talk about the pavement rash on my chin...).

Ha ha, that reminds me of once when I was a kid I managed to re-install the throttle slide backwards on my old Yamaha DT250, that had a broken kickstarter shaft. (No idea why, it usually started really easy) Anyway, I was pushstarting it in my dad's driveway when it took off and tried to wheelstand away from me as I was trying (badly) to run along beside it.

I pulled in the clutch and the front wheel came down, but the momentum threw me over the bike, which, once unimpeded by my weight re-launched itself into the front of my Dad's car. Not a good day, from memory.............

phil71 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:51:26 AM »

this thread is a big yawn. i can start my k1 on the 2nd or 3rd kick anytime, by turning the fuel on, counting to 60, bringing the choke up all the way and then just a 'flick' toward open. BUT, I always hit the electric start instead. If i wanted to jump up and down on a motorcycle, I'd still have my '67 Tiger.

dave500 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:07:54 AM »

heres an old trick,,get a lead pencil(graphite)and rub the point over the gap of a spark plug so it leaves a fluffy deposit,then crank the engine so that plug sparks and see how big a flash it makes,,this can be used to start stubborn engines.

bwaller · « **Reply #31 on:** December 31, 2011, 05:38:05 AM »

Quote from: phil71 on December 31, 2011, 01:51:26 AM

this thread is a big yawn. i can start my k1 on the 2nd or 3rd kick anytime, by turning the fuel on, counting to 60, bringing the choke up all the way and then just a 'flick' toward open. BUT, I always hit the electric start instead. If i wanted to jump up and down on a motorcycle, I'd still have my '67 Tiger.

+1

70CB750 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:17:38 AM »

Quote from: HondaMan on December 30, 2011, 08:12:35 PM

Things to check with PD carbs on the early engine (cam issue): if you have pods instead of a proper airbox, that's a biggie.

How does breadbox style compares to pods? Somewhere between the original filter housing and pods? How about the foam Antipod filter?

bollingball · « **Reply #33 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:25:46 AM »

I could be wrong but it is my understanding the breadbox still uses the stacks the pods do not. It is the stacks you need for proper air flow. I still use the factory box. I might not be using the correct words but I think you may get the idea. The stacks straighten the air. The pods do not.
Hey Dave500 I will have to try that pencil trick thanks. My bike allways runs great. I guess I need to make a pencil lead injector

Ken

Steven.Burns · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2011, 10:05:28 AM »

After reading all these tips this morning I decided to try them out. On a cold motor still with a nice 65 degree sunny morning. Gotta love southern California winters

Turned the key, gave a little throttle twist, choke pulled, 1 good kick and she fired up without hesitation.

70CB750 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2011, 10:40:49 AM »

Quote from: bollingball on December 31, 2011, 08:25:46 AM

I could be wrong but it is my understanding the breadbox still uses the stacks the pods do not. It is the stacks you need for proper air flow. I still use the factory box. I might not be using the correct words but I think you may get the idea. The stacks straighten the air. The pods do not.
Hey Dave500 I will have to try that pencil trick thanks. My bike allways runs great. I guess I need to make a pencil lead injector

Ken

I think the shared vacuum of the air housing helps too.

Rookster · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:08:56 PM »

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How does breadbox style compares to pods?

The breadboxes give the same problems as pods. The stock stacks are too close the back of the breadbox which really impedes airflow. If you shorten the stock stacks you still get the big dead spot when cranking open the throttle. There's just not enough volume inside the breadbox with stacks to get good airflow. You would really need to extend the width of the breadbox to use the stock stacks but you are limited by the frame. Same issues as pods and too much work for little to no gain. I have a breadbox for sale if your interested. I just put new uni foam in it. PM me if you want pics and details.

Scott

70CB750 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:15:32 PM »

Well thanks for the offer. I run my own design - the sandwich box

- using regular car filter. It behaves better than pods but it runs same jets as pots - ie it is closer to pods than the air box in characteristics.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:18:59 PM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on December 31, 2011, 06:15:32 PM

Well thanks for the offer. I run my own design - the sandwich box - using regular car filter. It behaves better than pods but it runs same jets as pots - ie it is closer to pods than the air box in characteristics.

Have you got a pic of that setup mate?

Kong · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2011, 07:48:00 PM »

Quote from: dave500 on December 30, 2011, 12:06:37 AM

youve never had a big single thumper kong?only their actual owners can start them,hot or cold,if you swap rides it wont start for the non owner,swap it back and it starts first prod of the kicker.

Nope, in my entire live I have maintained enough good sense not to buy one those big singles, though I was once very tempted to buy a 500cc BSA single but poverty saved my sanity. That said You may have noticed that I restricted my remark to Honda-4s. I'll tell you this though, one of the funniest (to me) things motorcycle-related that I ever saw was an old friend of mine who I watched kick his Royal bend down and kiss my ass Enfield unsuccessfully until he passed out in the heat of a Miami, Florida afternoon. Hardest starting motorcycle I ever saw that actually didn't run all that bad once it got going.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #40 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:01:17 PM »

I had a Royal Enfield 350cc engine and gearbox in my go-cart back in the early 1970's, with an SU carb off a mini on a home made manifold. It actually started real easy, and the cart was clocked at 105 MPH by the PO (a friend of mine) and some other friends chasing him in their car. If the Lucas magneto was in reasonable condition, most of those old Brit singles started reasonably easy here, with our warmer weather.

Another CB750 riding friend of mine got all nostalgic in the late 1980's and bought a Velocette Mac 350. It looked beautiful, and once going, was fun to ride, but it was a prick to start. He send the magneto off to be reconditioned, and it was a first or second kick start deal after that. Cheers, Terry.

70CB750 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 31, 2011, 10:13:35 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on December 31, 2011, 06:18:59 PM

Quote from: 70CB750 on December 31, 2011, 06:15:32 PM
Well thanks for the offer. I run my own design - the sandwich box - using regular car filter. It behaves better than pods but it runs same jets as pots - ie it is closer to pods than the air box in characteristics.

Have you got a pic of that setup mate?

Here:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=99066.msg1104410#msg1104410

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #42 on:** January 01, 2012, 01:59:56 AM »

Thanks mate, that looks good. Cheers, Terry.

70CB750 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:51:24 AM »

So it was about belowvthe freezing point and I decided to try and kick her up. No way, with the oil resisting the kicker I was not able to kick fast enough to even hear a try. She started with the button though and I rode around the yard to warm her up.

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:07:09 AM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on January 06, 2012, 03:51:24 AM

So it was about belowvthe freezing point and I decided to try and kick her up. No way, with the oil resisting the kicker I was not able to kick fast enough to even hear a try. She started with the button though and I rode around the yard to warm her up.

Thanks 70CB750 for the update and the cool info on your sandwich box. You gonna give it a name like "The Club", or maybe the reuben. The stock box does not give me too much trouble except for when I go to reattach it to the frame. Those 2 bolts seem to fight me every time.

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