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Chrome Plating Prices
« on: January 11, 2012, 09:42:37 AM »
I have some bits on the CB that need to be re chromed.

For expample: headlight ears and tail light housing.

Does anyone have any idea what I should be paying?
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 12:04:41 PM »
I have some bits on the CB that need to be re chromed.

For expample: headlight ears and tail light housing.

Does anyone have any idea what I should be paying?

Probably 50-75 for each part.  It's not cheap.  Take a look at my old posts regarding obscene chroming prices.   
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 12:18:18 PM »
I have some bits on the CB that need to be re chromed.

For expample: headlight ears and tail light housing.

Does anyone have any idea what I should be paying?
Prospect has it right, about $75 each for all three. Here is the price catalog from Brown's Plating:
http://brownsplating.com/chrome_direct.php
Click on the 2010 catalog. CB750 is on the 14th page of the catalog, about 16 including the cover.

Brown's is probably the most expensive. But they are very quick, dependable, businesslike. I also trust them to do the proper EPA compliance as this is real nasty stuff. And that adds to the price.

I think you'll find anyone wanting to give you a deal on chrome prices is shortcutting something somewhere. Either in the actual plating process, (Brown's is a 7 step process) or service, (slow turnaround) or EPA compliance.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 12:30:40 PM »
Yowza! still much cheaper than buying new I suppose. My parts guy quoted $475 shipped for a brand new set.

I picked up a set off of Ebay for $100. They are straight but pitted definately not rusted out and perfect candidates for re chroming. The inside lip that the rubber ring rests on is a little rusted out though. Do you think they will chrome what ever is there or will they sand it away during the prep process.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 12:43:28 PM »
Yowza! still much cheaper than buying new I suppose. My parts guy quoted $475 shipped for a brand new set.

I picked up a set off of Ebay for $100. They are straight but pitted definately not rusted out and perfect candidates for re chroming. The inside lip that the rubber ring rests on is a little rusted out though. Do you think they will chrome what ever is there or will they sand it away during the prep process.
For my lots, they did an amazing amount of prep that I didn't ask for, thought i could live without, but was glad they did it. Polishing out defects, casting marks, etc., mostly.

Thing is they will talk to you. Call and ask how they'll handle it, and what if any extra it may cost. Or email. Ronnie Brown was the front man and always got back to me quickly.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 12:47:00 PM »
Good stuff! thanks for all your help guys.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 12:54:53 PM »
Good stuff! thanks for all your help guys.
Your welcome. If you decide to go with Brown's, you have to ship to them in Louisville. I am in Indy. Not as far as NJ, but same difference. The shipping was no big deal. Brown's wrapped everything like meat, in paper several layers, and taped it up. Its what they do.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 01:20:48 PM »
+1 on Brown's Plating. I found a local dealer. They packaged everything up, shipped it and I got the items back in 9 days. One of the turn signal stems wasn't quite right, so they sent it back - no charge.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 01:24:31 PM »
The closest dealer to me is 2hrs away. I will deal with them direct. Now to slowly stomach the amount of money I'll be spending to chrome a set of fork ears!
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 02:13:45 PM »
Out of curiosity, can aluminum engine parts be chromed?  I would imagine so. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 02:29:52 PM »
Out of curiosity, can aluminum engine parts be chromed?  I would imagine so.

Yes, but there are a few extra steps to the process. The downside is that chrome still tends to not stick that well and can often end up starting to peel. The other downside is that chrome doesn't hide defects, it often makes them look worse. I am an engineer at a metal finishing plant that does all sorts of coatings and plating, and our saying is "crap in, crap out". If you want a perfect looking plated part, it has to be perfect looking before the plating.

As a side note, you guys may want to look into other plating types that may be more cost effective/longer lasting. Nickel and zinc are two alternatives that can often give great results.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 02:33:46 PM »
Hmmm....nickle you say? How much cheaper?
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 03:33:55 PM »
Hmmm....nickle you say? How much cheaper?

The price varies greatly on the plating shop, the shape of the part, and what kind of nickel plating you want. There are a few nickel platings that look quite good and offer excellent corrosion resistance.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 04:34:19 PM »
Aluminum can be plated quite nicely provided it's done properly. Must be prepped then the first coat that goes on is copper. It fills imperfections, It sticks to the aluminum. The second coat that goes on is nickel which sticks to the copper. Finally the chrome coat is last. It needs the nickel to adhere properly. If any of these steps are skipped then the adherence will not work properly and it will peel. I have a 30+ year 3 step chromed old rocker cover that Brown's did for me when I lived down the street from them back in my old Paducah days. Still very nice. No peel. I have a newly chromed cover that they did with their newer 7 step (haven't really studied that process) and it's nothing short of amazing. Get what you pay for with Brown's. I had some aluminum wheels done for my Fat Boy by a place in Michigan that peeled. More "reasonably" priced but Brown's doesn't do wheels from what I've seen. I see copper and chrome layers in the peelings. Can't say there is nickel involved. Totally amazed at the thickness thinness of the layers! Shocked actually. Thinner than a sheet of notebook paper for both. And to think the shine looks amazingly deep. I sent the wheel to Meclec in s. CA. for rechroming. Right up there with Brown's as far as the eye can tell. You could consider them also.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 05:09:46 PM »
Hmmm....nickle you say? How much cheaper?

The price varies greatly on the plating shop, the shape of the part, and what kind of nickel plating you want. There are a few nickel platings that look quite good and offer excellent corrosion resistance.

What would you recommend?
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 06:17:15 PM »
Aluminum can be plated quite nicely provided it's done properly. Must be prepped then the first coat that goes on is copper. It fills imperfections, It sticks to the aluminum. The second coat that goes on is nickel which sticks to the copper. Finally the chrome coat is last. It needs the nickel to adhere properly. If any of these steps are skipped then the adherence will not work properly and it will peel. I have a 30+ year 3 step chromed old rocker cover that Brown's did for me when I lived down the street from them back in my old Paducah days. Still very nice. No peel. I have a newly chromed cover that they did with their newer 7 step (haven't really studied that process) and it's nothing short of amazing. Get what you pay for with Brown's. I had some aluminum wheels done for my Fat Boy by a place in Michigan that peeled. More "reasonably" priced but Brown's doesn't do wheels from what I've seen. I see copper and chrome layers in the peelings. Can't say there is nickel involved. Totally amazed at the thickness thinness of the layers! Shocked actually. Thinner than a sheet of notebook paper for both. And to think the shine looks amazingly deep. I sent the wheel to Meclec in s. CA. for rechroming. Right up there with Brown's as far as the eye can tell. You could consider them also.

Yes, you are correct on most accounts. Chrome is put over aluminum all the time. The aluminum must first be zincated, then it gets underplated with a variety of platings. The traditional way of doing it was a copper-nickel-chrome process like you described, however more and more places are going to a nickel-nickel-chrome process that uses a very very thin layer of nickel to activate the part, then a slightly thicker layer of slightly different nickel over it, then chrome on top.

It's funny, in the metal finishing industry decorative chrome and nickel are some of the thickest platings there are. They are still typically less than half the thickness of a sheet of computer paper, but this is still 4-5 times thicker than most other platings and coatings (not counting paint and powdercoat). The layers of copper and nickel under the chrome layer are often .0004"-.0005" thick while the chrome layer is often more like .0010"-.0015" thick.


What would you recommend?

It depends on the part, the alloy, and the result you are after. The plater you go with should be able to help you with the best solution for your application. There are different methods of nickel plating, one is electrolytic (typically sulfamate nickel), the other electroless. Electroless has more advantages, but tends to be more expensive. Where I work we do a lot more electroless nickel than sulfamate nickel do to the advantages it holds in industrial applications. A midphos bright electroless nickel with between 6-9% phosphorus gives a nice shiny bright finish that is very corrosion resistant when applied to a nicely finished part.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 06:36:08 PM »
Speaking of thickness, Brown's was sensitive to this. I asked them to mask off the tops and bottoms of the pivot on the levers so they would fit back into the holders. They said no that would interfere with the continuity of the plating leaving an edge. They wanted the whole lever to be plated. What they do is polish down those points by the thickness of the chrome. The levers fit fine when I got them back.

They did the same with the discbrake pivot arms, where they fit into the "C" bracket. All chrome. (Oh yeah, those parts are aluminum)

Another point was the end of the brake pivot. I didn't like the idea of masking the end of the pivot off when they masked the splines. So they took the very tips of the splines down a shade, then chromed the end of the pivot. That way when the pedal goes on, and you look at it from the side, its not a chrome pedal with a steel center, its a chrome center.

They chromed the ends of several other bolts as well.

These were all their ideas. They've crossed these bridges thousands of times already. me, just once.
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Re: Chrome Plating Prices
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 09:02:54 PM »
Any thoughts on rechroming(or nickle coating?) the rear coil springs?  Can I expect longevity issues because its a spring?

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 10:50:15 PM »
plating is a non green thing in this modern do good time,here in aus the EPA have more clout than the police!,the laws and conditions they have to comply with is very expensive for a start,i can only imagine the chroming places overseas with child workers and zero health and saftey in place.

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 04:57:18 AM »
plating is a non green thing in this modern do good time,here in aus the EPA have more clout than the police!,the laws and conditions they have to comply with is very expensive for a start,i can only imagine the chroming places overseas with child workers and zero health and saftey in place.

Prediction.  Someone will set up a business where items to be chromed are shipped to China for chroming and sent back to North America.  You could do it if you had a large volume to ship.  Plus, they would probably just dump the waste it in the Yanghzi river. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 05:14:00 AM »
Hey if you're looking for some good shops right here in NJ there are 2 I normally deal with through my resto shop and the prices are very good.  You can try Artistic Metal Finishing in Somerville....they were flooded out during the hurricane and are just getting up and running again.  Or try Super Chrome in Asbury Park....they do a fantastic job as well.  Tell them Paul from RPM referred you.

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 05:16:52 AM »
Paul thats great news! Thanks!
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 05:28:52 AM »
Any thoughts on rechroming(or nickle coating?) the rear coil springs?  Can I expect longevity issues because its a spring?
Perfectly fine, no issues, IMO.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2013, 08:22:25 AM »
Well I FINALLY got around to doing this. Ears & rings, all four signal housings with stems, all four exhaust clamp flanges. Total cost was $350. I should have them back in a couple of weeks.
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