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CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« on: September 09, 2010, 07:14:55 PM »
1978 Honda CB750K that I purchased recently and I would like to get the air filter system back to stock. It has 4 individual air pods and a Kerker 4to1 exhaust. It is running 127.5 main jets and idles and starts like a bag of potatoes (bad). I purchased an air box and 4 new rubber boots from air cleaner to carbs. I was wondering what size main jet should i use? The Kerker exhaust is without baffle and will have a baffle on it soon. I was thinking 115...?? Any help would be appreciated. My first carburerated bike. 

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »
Gidday Drillzzzz
The main jet won't affect idle or even up to mid-range performance. The main jet doesn't kick in till high revs - say 5500 - 8000 band. Idle jet and needle clip height affect the low to normal operating range. I believe u should have a 40 idle jet. Clip position on the main needle is a pain to change - having to pull complete carb rack apart. Make sure of your idle jet 1st. For fitment of pods and 4 into 1, the PO likely changed clip position as well. Lowering the needle makes for a leaner operation and vice-versa.

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 08:24:33 PM »
How do I determine idle jet size? Sorry for the newbie questions.

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2010, 09:12:34 PM »
I was wondering... Will the bike idle bad with the stock pilot jet and the 4 individual pods with open kerker? Please help as I need to get this bike on the road to get back and forth from school.

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 12:30:46 AM »
Jet size is stamped on it. e.g 040 would be stamped on the idle jet base...or similar.
Pods are not my bag - but from what i've read here - they are likely to be at the root of your problems. The PO should have adjusted carbs tune to suit them. May have altered the clip position on the main jet needle. This is your main operating range fuel control. Clip height changes the fuel input. Up or down means more or less. If you have restricted air filters - you get less airflow into the mix -so carbs need to be changed - this is done at the clip needle - up a position or down. If you go standard airbox (good move) - you must check the carb setup. You don't know what the PO did to accommodate the pods. Moving the needle clip position UP, means the needle tip is lower, so less fuel results. Clip DOWN means needle tip goes UP and more fuel enters equation (richen). Richer is better and safer.
Check your plugs for sooty (rich) or whitish (lean) and adust your idle mixture screw in or out on each carb equally. Retest and reset till it improves. Err on the sooty side. These motors seem to like it.

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 06:05:30 AM »
You do not have to worry about clip position, the 77-78 carbs don't have any. I am running stock airbox and exhaust with 120 mains for years and have had no issues.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 01:00:52 PM »
Nancy--- thanks for ringing in again. I am a fan of the look of the pods but not their functionality. I would rather take performance over aesthetics on this particular matter. As far as the pilots go I should be able to remove the float bowl and perhaps with a mirror or direct view I should see the number or do i have to remove them in order to get a view? Thanks again for the help. Its hard to fix someones tinkering.

BobbyR--- so there are no clips on these carbs? Also, what is your take on the pilot jet? Can I see the number without removing them? So 120 mains with stock set up... is my 115 main jet not going to be enough you think? The Kerker (4to1) is open but going to be muffled soon and Im puttig the air box back on. Thanks.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 02:07:19 PM »
Dunno man...as I stand corrected on clips not being in your carbs - I could mislead you on the location of the idle jet. I can only tell you what my earlier Keihin 064A carbs have. The idle jet is accesssible and easily removable to inspect. I could not imagine seeing the stamped details with a mirror. Very small even up in your face in daylight. Very easy to remove and check properly..also chance to blow it, check it and clean. Fuel off, remove float bowl. You should see jets hanging there. Have a look at this:
http://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslists/carburetor-component-parts-cb750k8-four-usa_bigma000044e19-1_4f76.gif
Hopefully BobbyR can give you some pointers.

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 02:57:50 PM »

   My manual is at my shop and I'm not but I believe that the 77/78K bikes had 115 mains. The 77/78F bikes which came with a 4/1 exhaust had 110 mains. Why? Because the stock 4/1 is more restrictive than the stock 4/4. The Kerker is less restrictive than the stock F 4/1 so 115 might be right for you...or 110's might be right. Unless somebody with the exact same setup as yours chimes in you're going to have to experiment with jet sizes.

   And a minor correction to Bobby's post...the 77 750's had adjustable clips, the 78's didn't. That's why I bought a 77 carb rack for my 78. Even though the bike runs great as is I wanted the option of being able to adjust if need be.

   I'm not sure if you can tell the idle jet size without removing the carbs from the bike but if it's running poorly as you say it is then you should pull the carbs and thoroughly clean them. If they aren't clean you'll never get it running right.

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 05:58:07 PM »
The 78Ks came with 110 mains which was probably a nod to the EPA. These are pumper carbs so the accel pump would probably cover up for any lack of response.

The main jets are slotted and can me taken out with a screwdriver, and the size may be readable with a mirror. The PO put 120s in mine and I have not found the need to change them. They have nothing to do with idle and everything to do with passing an 18 wheeler on a steep mountain road.

The idle jets are pressed in which was another nod to the EPA, but they can be carefully pulled out and cleaned, and it usually plugged up if you read through the threads.

If I were you I would pull the carbs and give them a good and proper cleaning. I had mine off 3 times in 3 years before I finally did the job properly. That was 6 years ago and she runs great.

I would suggest you get some kits from Sirisonic or some one else. Take the rack off and give them a good cleaning. You will need a few strands of copper wire or high E guitar string and pass it through every hole you can find. Pull the pressed in idle jets and clean out all the side holes - the jet is at the bottom. After you pass the wire through, use some spray carb cleaner blow out the debris.

Now, the accel pump only holds probably less than a 1/4 teaspoon of gas, and it spoils really quickly becuse there is so little of it, so unscrew the bottom and flush that out also.

You see there is no quick fix with carbs other than a float level that goes whacky. If you want to spend the time, you will get a good result, I know I tried all the quick fixes and they failed.

Once you have the carbs sorted out, you will have other things to tinker with to improve the bike.  ;D
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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2010, 01:55:59 PM »
Still waiting for parts to come in  :-\  I read over my thread and I would like to thank everyone for responding  but I also wanted to get a confirmation on the idle situation. I was under the impression that placing the air box back on will take care of the bad idle and dying (fingers crossed). Am I being mislead by my wishful and uneducated guess? I have never worked on carbs before and I guess I am a bit too timid to pull the carbs off the bike and having to remove the pressed in pilot jet. I familiarized myself enough to mustar up the will to remove the float bowl and change main jets (with carbs on bike). I don't want to mess anything up (especially the pilot jets) and I also don't have the extra money at the moment to bring it into a shop. What do you all think? Thanks

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2010, 03:11:07 PM »
You may or may not get what you are looking for just by replacing the airbox, but let's see. Pulling the carbs and getting the emulsion tube off is really no big deal. Those that have gone to shops have reported bad outcomes.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2010, 03:25:09 PM »
Do it yourself. We are standing by (or at least check in regularly to help).

I have the same bike and it runs GREAT now. I had never rebuilt a set of carbs this complicated before but once I got into it (and with a bit of help here and the manual) it wasn't that bad.

The results are worth it!

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 09:31:45 PM »
Update: replaced main jets to 115, the pilot jets are stock 35 (no drilling was done  ;D), and placed the stock air box. What a pain but got the air box in with blood and tears. I starter her up with choke and she died twice. The battery died so I'm charging it overnight on a tender. I haven't completed the job but I would still like to say thank you to everyone. Also, I would like to get some help on locating parts. I would like to locate the crankcase tube and air box tube that go to the separator tube. One day at a time and i can't wait tonier this bike to get back and forth from school. Thanks again.

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Re: CB750k Going Back to Stock. Help Needed
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 01:02:52 PM »
Gidday Drillzzzz
The main jet won't affect idle or even up to mid-range performance. The main jet doesn't kick in till high revs - say 5500 - 8000 band. Idle jet and needle clip height affect the low to normal operating range. I believe u should have a 40 idle jet. Clip position on the main needle is a pain to change - having to pull complete carb rack apart. Make sure of your idle jet 1st. For fitment of pods and 4 into 1, the PO likely changed clip position as well. Lowering the needle makes for a leaner operation and vice-versa.

That is incorrect information.
On the 1978 PD (keyhole )style carbs the needle is not adjustable.
But to take the needle out and add a shim you do NOT need to take the whole rack of carbs all apart.
Just loosen the 10mm bolt on the throttle shaft in front of the lever that goes up and down and then you can lift the lever high enough to get the clips off and get the needle out.
The 1977 carbs have a better return spring style. The 1978 return spring is very hard to get installed.

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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 01:52:45 PM »
You have the bottom half of the airbox (where the filter sits) OFF when you are trying to reinstall the airbox? Your carb boots are supple? (treat them with wintergreen oil if they are not). Carb boots are aligned carefully so that the numbers on the boots are all facing exactly up? A bit of WD-40 wiped onto the inside ends of the boots where the carbs are going to sit? Clamps are fully loose and slid back? Goes much easier with these details.

You've checked that the fuel is flowing freely from the tank and the in-tank filter (above the tank valve) is clean? Checked the carb float height?

+1 on the return spring difference 77-78.

If you are talking about the plumbing to the emission control separator under the battery box. I got mine on Ebay as a complete unit, hoses and all and with a bit of cleaning, it is installed and as good as new. Some people feel they don't need them, so they take them off.
George with a black 78 CB750K (in Lion's Head, Ontario, Canada)