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possible house electricity prob electricians help needed
« on: January 22, 2012, 07:19:03 PM »
i opened the valve on the right(it normally has a hose on it) and it wont stop leaking
 now i had to turn off the water intake valve... is there a trick to these things or do they just go bad

 this is the first time ive touched this thing and ive been here four years it says serviced in july of 07
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 07:44:42 PM »
I do not know of any tricks, they just do go bad, especially if you are in an area with hard water.  They can also leak if the tank is very hot.

I would try popping it open & closed a few times to see if what ever scale got lodged in the mechanism can be jarred loose. 

Why did you open it?  This is the pressure relief valve, intended to keep the tank from exploding should the heater control should fail on.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 08:12:59 PM »
for some reason i thought there might be air in the tank and thought it would be a bleeder.... i shut off the water and pushed a wire in it and let it snap shut a few times and got it down to a miniscule drip(like every 5 sec) so for now im fine with it



 by the way i should have just hit the red reset button ... that was the problem
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 08:15:54 PM »
Yeah, unfortunately once you open that valve they will often leak. There's really no fix other than to replace it.
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 08:39:09 PM »
yep sometimes they will leak when you turn the valve on the only thing you can do besides replacing the valve is cap it. then when you need it in the future take the cap off and have at it. i have tenants that will mess with these things for some reason and when things get worse they call me and tell me the most famous line "i don't know what happened" ya i do you f@#*ed with it!! but the easiest fix is to just cap it off. make sure you use pipe thread or putty around it.
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 08:48:05 PM »
Sorry jamesb, that's not a good recommendation to cap it.  See markcb750's explanation of it's intended function.
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 09:08:31 PM »
Yeah, touch those T+P valves once and they will leak.... don't be tempted to take it out and plug the hole tho'.... it's a very imp. safety feature. The thermostats can 'stick' and the tank can boil, only having this valve for a release of water/steam.... not a rare occurance  actually ! Try 'flicking' the handle on the valve several times, do it over a few days if necessary, should stop the drip eventually.. good luck.
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 06:14:03 AM »
I had this exact same problem this past weekend, only mine's on the very top of the tank.  Tank is about 5 years old and we do have hard-ish water.  Just started dripping Thursday.  No success in getting it to re-seat, and it was dripping about 2 drips per second.

$15 later, got a new one from Home Depot.  20 minutes and it was changed out.  Done.

Good luck with yours.

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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 06:39:23 AM »
Sorry jamesb, that's not a good recommendation to cap it. 

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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 07:45:51 AM »
That is a pressure releif valve and should never be capped period. If it leaks it needs to be replaced which is an easy and fairly cheap  DIY fix.

If the new on one leaks you have too much pressure inside the tank and that needs to be dealt with.
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 08:09:46 AM »
Holy cow - what was going on with that exploding water heater?  Was that just an example of one bursting, or what?


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Exploding Water Heater
Myth: A water heater can explode like a rocket through the roof of your house and land 500 ft away

Water heaters have two protection mechanisms to prevent them from rocketing off:

Thermostat in an emergency cutoff switch
Temperature and pressure valve (T&P valve)
The T&P valve is a pipe sticking out near the bottom of the water heater. Adam hypothesized that a homeowner might see the T&P valve and think that it was an old pipe that was no longer being used. Seeing that it occasionally leaks water, this hypothetical homeowner might cap it off, thus disabling it.

6 gallon tank test 1
The MythBusters first tested how the tank responded to the failure of its safety mechanisms. They setup a six gallon water tank in a container outside their headquarters. They removed the thermostat in the emergency cutoff switch, rendering it useless. At 165 degrees, the T&P valve started to release, preventing explosion. They next disabled the T&P valve and rigged up their own emergency release valve. At 248 degrees, the tank started to rapidly lose pressure and they had to end the test.

So much steam was released from their own emergency valve that they decided to take their setup to Alameda for additional safety. The tank failed after 20 minutes at 370F/191 psi. Rather than launch like a rocket, the top split enough to allow steam vapor to spread across the concrete.

30 gallon tank
Satisfied that they could get a tank to rupture with the safety mechanisms disabled, they moved up to a larger tank. They filled a 30 gallon tank 80% full with 24 gallons of water to see if they could get a good mixture of steam and water. After 50 minutes (350 psi), the tank launched like a rocket -- it took several seconds for the tank to land and there was tank lining scattered everywhere.

52 gallon 'Home' test
Their final test was to confirm the conditions of the myth. They built a tiny home with roof to California code. The house included a door, a window, and simulaid dummy in a bathtub. At 350psi, the water heater shot rocketed through the roof as the rest of the house exploded into little bits. The tank went through two layers of 2x4 trusses in the roof while the steam and water ruptured the rest of the structure.

The MythBusters' researchers found two confirmed cases of this happening in real life. In 2001, a burrito shop's water heater launched 439 ft into the air. In Minnesota, a water heater went through all the floors and roof of the house and another 150 ft into the air. The house was knocked off its foundation, two were injured, and a dog was killed.

Adam's lesson to the viewers is:

When they see that pipe sticking out of their water heater that doesn't go anywhere that's dripping water, that they don't go, "oh, maybe I should cap that."

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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 10:42:50 AM »
I can't help but think that you compounded the problem of opening it by jamming a wire in it.  In all the carb threads, the advice given is to never poke anything hard, like wire, in a float valve, because the danger of scratching the seat and making it so the cone won't seat.  Brass is brass.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 10:49:14 AM »
I gasped at the thought of capping it.  Thanks for posting the video. People don't realize how dangerous superheated water can be.  We are lulled into a feeling of safety because they are so reliable these days. You don't hear about them exploding but with a little help they do go boom.
 An electrode can burn off and go to ground inside the tank or water can enter the thermostat causing overheating. I like to replace all the controls at once if something has malfunctioned, just for safety's sake.

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 A hose on the relief valve outlet can fly around like a runaway car wash wand, and it will be spraying boiling water. It should be hard piped (metal) to 6" from the floor or drain pan. Never reduce the diameter of the blow off pipe either.

Superheated water is above the boiling point but remains liquid because it is under pressure, when the pressure is released it expands 1,500 times in volume making a 30 gallon heater release 45,000 gallons of steam. That's how a steam locomotive's engine can pull an entire train.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 11:25:24 AM »
 Also, if your water heater is inside your home the pressure relief valve should be plumbed to the outside of house so when if ever it pop's open all of the water will not flood the inside of the home.  I've seen it happen alot because people are too lazy to do the job right !    ::)
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Re: anybody know about electric waterheaters?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:31:28 PM »
If hard water is the cause of you valve not closing, might as well check your heating elements to see if they're gunked up with calcium minerals. Our water heater was less then a decade old when we had to replace them.

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 05:45:47 PM »
In a hard water environment the water tank should be drained a few times a year by attaching a garden hose to the drain and flushing out the sediment. 10 Minutes should do it. When minerals build up at the bottom of the tank it can superheat and cause more pressure and also waste energy.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 06:21:40 PM »
hey i'm sorry about the cap info i wasn't thinking i didn't realize it was the pressure release. i was thinking the drain valve sorry again.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 07:52:02 AM »
If hard water is the cause of you valve not closing, might as well check your heating elements to see if they're gunked up with calcium minerals. Our water heater was less then a decade old when we had to replace them.

10 years is about how long most water heaters last unless you have a treatment system online.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 12:47:33 PM »
so my amana fridge was acting up a couple months ago it would buzzx and click.... we were just about to buy a new one when it started working again.... stopped working again last night...... from what i understand its either the compressor or the relay... how  do i tell the difference? if it makes any difference the compressor is hot
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 01:03:22 PM »
so my amana fridge was acting up a couple months ago it would buzzx and click.... we were just about to buy a new one when it started working again.... stopped working again last night...... from what i understand its either the compressor or the relay... how  do i tell the difference? if it makes any difference the compressor is hot

Compressors rarely fail on modern refrigerators.  The compressor will get hot, it's a bi-product of compressing the freon.

I'd get the exact model number and get Googling.  I'll bet you can find all the info you need to diagnose the problem.  :)
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 01:13:51 PM »
Could be the capacitor on the compressor motor or could be the freon leaked out, or the defroster controller.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 01:54:09 PM »


Are we gonna go through your house one appliance at a time??? ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 02:13:42 PM »
well its winter gotta play with something
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