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Offline phil71

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tire size
« on: January 24, 2012, 04:24:57 PM »
I'm sure this has been covered before, so I apologize for the redundancy, but what does 4.00x18 convert to, or can someone recommend a modern metric size for a tire and tube to fit a 750 K1
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Re: tire size
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 04:47:57 PM »
A 110/90x18 would be the closest size to it; the wider you go means you'll have to lean it a bit more to achieve the same cornering performance...& it's good to match front & rear tires w/ similar grade rubber.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 05:02:33 PM »
Dunlop GT501 tires are really cutting-edge modern bias ply tires

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 05:05:13 PM »
i just bought a set of Dunlop 404's 100/90-19 frt and 120/90-18 rear ........I havent even mounted them yet ! anybody have any input on good choice or bad ?

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Re: tire size
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 06:36:50 PM »
You don't have to go with metric sizes if you don't want to.  Yes, there are more options, but there are also good, modern tires available in standard sizes.  I've got Avon Roadriders in standard size on my 750K1. 

The benefit for me is the standard size tires have a taller sidewall than the metric equivalents, and they fill out the fenders and fit the look of a classic bike better, IMO.  Plus, it makes a noticeable difference in getting the bike on the center stand. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 06:40:59 PM »
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The benefit for me is the standard size tires have a taller sidewall than the metric equivalents, and they fill out the fenders and fit the look of a classic bike better, IMO.  Plus, it makes a noticeable difference in getting the bike on the center stand. 
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Re: tire size
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 07:13:28 PM »
You don't have to go with metric sizes if you don't want to.  Yes, there are more options, but there are also good, modern tires available in standard sizes.  I've got Avon Roadriders in standard size on my 750K1. 

The benefit for me is the standard size tires have a taller sidewall than the metric equivalents, and they fill out the fenders and fit the look of a classic bike better, IMO.  Plus, it makes a noticeable difference in getting the bike on the center stand.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 09:58:56 PM »
those are wonderful tires same ones I run they  have a really sticky rubber compound and stick like glue  I was never happy with the stock tires or sizes I only run D404's on all my bikes now they will give you a really comfortable and confident ride as long as you keep the air pressure between 34 and maximum
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Re: tire size
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 04:42:30 AM »
i just bought a set of Dunlop 404's 100/90-19 frt and 120/90-18 rear ........I havent even mounted them yet ! anybody have any input on good choice or bad ?

The 120 on the rear with stock rims will eventually square off meaning you will drop into corners much faster giving you a feeling that the back end is going to wipe out. This will happen after about 4-5K. Ive posted a comparison photo of the 120 v 110 profiles a couple of times before if you want to look for that. The 110 is a better choice if you like cornering a lot. My personal preference is BT-45 (front 100/90/19; rear 110/90/18).

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Re: tire size
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 01:17:36 PM »
I'm definitely not trying to resize, I want the original profile, just wondered if there was a direct conversion. I'm getting the feeling there isn't?

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Re: tire size
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 01:27:59 PM »
I'm definitely not trying to resize, I want the original profile, just wondered if there was a direct conversion. I'm getting the feeling there isn't?
The front being a 3.25x19 in inches. The metrics are close but as others state, not exact. Go with Andy's 110 rr and 100 fr. IMO
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 01:59:56 PM »
I'm definitely not trying to resize, I want the original profile, just wondered if there was a direct conversion. I'm getting the feeling there isn't?

There isn't.  Tire sellers want you to compromise so they can move stock.  However, you are better off using the inch size tires that Honda intended.

When metrics were introduced, they added an aspect ratio number, which is the tire's height in relation to width.  A 100-90 x18 has a tire height 90% of its width,  100mm = 3.9 inch tread width with a 3.54 inch tread height.  A 110-90 x18 equates to a 4.33 inch tread width and a 3.93 inch tire height.

The inch size tire height was generally 95% (could be more) of tread width size (with some exceptions).  A stock sized 4.00 inch tire would normally have a tire height of about 3.8 inches, but it could vary by manufacturer.

A wider than stock tire has the tendency to wear faster in the middle, as most (if not all) oversize tires mounted on narrow rims will have to be over inflated to maintain side wall rigidity.

When new, metrics tires still have that nicely arched tread crown, and work well.  As they age and wear unevenly, the crown flattens and this leads to changed handling characteristics.  Many don't notice it's changed as it is gradual, until they replace the tires and are thrilled with the "as-new" handling.

The stock size inch tires have the correct tire height, and fit properly to the rim allowing proper tire pressures.  This allows the tire crown to wear more evenly and for it to keep its arched shape longer throughout  the life of the tire and maintain the nice handling that the bikes were born with.

You may have to special order the correct tires for your bike rather than use what the local dealer stocks.  But, it is worth the wait and they are still available for those that want what is best for the bike.

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Re: tire size
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 03:21:18 PM »
i put a metzeler 'perfect me" 100/90-19 57H on the front, and it feels great, held up to the original the profile looks to be the same.
was hoping to get a metzeler for the back and it looks like they actually have the 4.00x18 in that model! sweet.

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Re: tire size
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 03:41:26 PM »
Those are great tires that will last you a good while ;)..those particular models(ME77) and sizes of Metzeler are Very popular with older BMW R bikes.
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Re: tire size
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 03:50:56 PM »
I'm definitely not trying to resize, I want the original profile, just wondered if there was a direct conversion. I'm getting the feeling there isn't?

I clicked the first link I posted up for you and pasted the size you have and the next closest they sell. It's pretty easy, just look at the sizes people make compared to the size you have.

                                                               rec rim (in)alt rim (in) min/maxwidth (mm)width (in)dia (mm)dia (in)
Roadrider AM26 (rear)   4.00-18           64V   MT2.50   2.15 - 3.00   116            4.6   671    26.4   
Roadrider AM26 (rear)   120/80-18   62V   MT2.75   2.50 - 3.00   120           4.70   652    25.7        
Roadrider AM26 (rear)   120/90-18   65V   MT2.75   2.50 - 3.00   129            5.1   675    26.6        

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Re: tire size
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 04:43:56 PM »
i put a metzeler 'perfect me" 100/90-19 57H on the front, and it feels great, ....
Compared to what?

I LIKE Metzeler tires.  But, the stock front is 3.25 inch width which would  make it 3.09 inches tall.  The 100/90 is 3.93 inches wide  and 3.54 inches tall.  So, you went oversize a great deal.
I don't like the sidewall angle for a tire that large on a 1.85 inch width rim.  But, Metzeler does approve that tire fitment (barely), (Honda didn't).   It probably won't handle strange until 50% tread life, or so.  But, big tires mean more weight.  It's fine if quick turning isn't required.

Is the rear wheel 1.85 width or 2.15?
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Re: tire size
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2012, 04:50:27 PM »
Here's a fitment guide from another SOHC4 member posted quite a while back.  I lost the name.
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Re: tire size
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 05:01:27 PM »
i put a metzeler 'perfect me" 100/90-19 57H on the front, and it feels great, ....
Compared to what?

I LIKE Metzeler tires.  But, the stock front is 3.25 inch width which would  make it 3.09 inches tall.  The 100/90 is 3.93 inches wide  and 3.54 inches tall.  So, you went oversize a great deal.
I don't like the sidewall angle for a tire that large on a 1.85 inch width rim.  But, Metzeler does approve that tire fitment (barely), (Honda didn't).   It probably won't handle strange until 50% tread life, or so.  But, big tires mean more weight.  It's fine if quick turning isn't required.

Is the rear wheel 1.85 width or 2.15?

You need to put, "IMO" after those posts. Honda's specs were written in the late 60's and 70's, tires have come a hell of a long way since then and aren't really comparable...Lots of guys race with modern tires on this site, they may well be more qualified to comment. After using modern tires sizes since the late 70's i can say without doubt that they work well, i never experienced unusual wear at all, even running wider tires, if you are wearing out the top of the tire first, try riding in some corners... One more thing, running higher than recommended tire pressures to make up some perceived difference in side wall stiffness will void your warranty and cause your tires to act differently from manufacturers specs, this si actually written on a couple of tire manufacturers sites.

I was surfing tire reviews last night for tires i plan on using on my bike and most of the reviewers , actually all but one, only putted around and you could clearly see that they were no where near using most of the usable part of the tire, the one guy that did had a well organized and informative review....
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 06:14:25 PM »
You need to put, "IMO" after those posts.

And so do you, if that is true.

Honda's specs were written in the late 60's and 70's, tires have come a hell of a long way since then and aren't really comparable...
The stock rim designs and geometry were made in the 60 and 70s.  And Honda spec'd the tires available in the day to match the rims.  Applying a new tire to old rims does not upgrade the entire wheel system.

I was "guided" for years to put oversize tires on my Hondas.  I was rewarded with early tire wear out, and poor handling for half the tire tread life.  That's several sets and brands of tires used since 75.  Every new tire was clearly superior upon immediate use.  Now that I have gone back to the stock sizes, the handling is as great and is staying consistent as the tire wears.  Didn't happen with any oversize tire I put on the bike.

That is my experience.
I've no doubt that modern tires on modern rims with modern geometry is superior to the 70's set ups.  If you want to replace your tires more frequently than necessary and suffer odd handling for half the tire tread life, that's your decision (and perhaps recommendation) to make.

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 07:34:57 PM »
Compared to the original tires .! I got this K1 with 8kmi on the clock. Nothing had been changed. I don't want to argue , but the new front metzeler Is nOt any wider or taller than the tire it left the showroom with, which I still have. New fork seals and steering head bearings, a new upper clamp and that front tire and the bike feels plenty sure footed , even with a crappy kenda on the back.

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 07:41:17 PM »
Compared to the original tires .! I got this K1 with 8kmi on the clock. Nothing had been changed. I don't want to argue , but the new front metzeler Is nOt any wider or taller than the tire it left the showroom with, which I still have. New fork seals and steering head bearings, a new upper clamp and that front tire and the bike feels plenty sure footed , even with a crappy kenda on the back.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 08:41:52 PM »
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I've no doubt that modern tires on modern rims with modern geometry is superior to the 70's set ups.  If you want to replace your tires more frequently than necessary and suffer odd handling for half the tire tread life, that's your decision (and perhaps recommendation) to make.

You do know that the Honda geometry was quite advanced for the day, it was very close to the original GSXR's, compared to other bikes of the time the Honda steering was quite "fast".... I have never suffered odd handling at all, if i had i would post that here, quite the opposite, there are a lot of guys that would support that view, especially the racers. In my experiences the tires i have used tend to wear well, i have always used the best tires i could buy on all my bikes.  The out dated front and rear suspension probably has more to do with wear characteristics than the sidewall profile. Tires and suspension components have both evolved a long way, which is another reason i recommend using good shocks and even emulators in the forks....
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Re: tire size
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 09:05:24 PM »
I just purchased Metzeler Lasertec tires for both front and rear:

3.25X19 - front
4.00X18 - rear

Just as Honda intended!

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Re: tire size
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2012, 11:40:57 AM »
Steve-O, I don't have a great answer to that question except that the tire on the rear was and is fine, but I know it's time.. so, they'll be 8 months apart.. no big deal.