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Not my best moment ever....   So I was diligently doing my first post-rebuild oil change today and I figured what the heck, I'll go ahead and install that oil cooler...in the dark.  Well all goes well pretty much and I get the hoses hooked up and cinched down with hose clamps, fill her back up with fresh oil and take off for a test run.  After a bit I come up on a red light and find that I'm floating down the road this way and that.  Look down and my entire body from the waist down, and the bike, is covered in oil!   I shut down the bike and pull over, and walk it about a mile home.

Turns out that one of the nylon braided oil lines (earl's, I think) was touching a head pipe and melted through.  Other than oil all over everything, no damage done.  But how in the hell should I clean this mess up???  It's all between the cooling fins and up under the tank and everything.  Fresh full synthetic valvoline 20W50, nice and thick and syrupy...   Not to start an oil thread or anything
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Heh.  Pressure wash.

Or a bottle of Dawn and the garden hose.

It's good that it's fresh oil, won't stain as bad.
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When I have an abundant amount of oil spilled in my garage I use the kitty litter stuff. Cleans and absorbs the oil really well. I wouldnt recommend it for your bike though.

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Yeah I feel foolish but lucky.  That's god laughing at me for buying the most expensive oil on the market.  And for making the switch to full synthetic, perhaps?

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I thought I read here that you should never use synthetic with these bikes.
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I thought I read here that you should never use synthetic with these bikes.

I would think it depends on the bike, dry or wet clutch.
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I thought I read here that you should never use synthetic with these bikes.

Oh god no!  Now I've really done it!

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I thought I read here that you should never use synthetic with these bikes.

I would think it depends on the bike, dry or wet clutch.

There are motorcycle-specific synthetics that are appropriate for use with a wet clutch (which all SOHC4's have).  This was Valvoline 4T full synthetic motorcycle-specific oil...

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+1  I have used full synthetic Mobil 1 Racing 4T Motorcycle specific oil in several bikes, including my 2003 VTX since new.  That is probably what will go in my 550 when it gets back on the road.  No problems if you use a motorcycle specific oil.

As for cleaning I think a low pressure wash with something like Dawn would do.   How about a two or three gallon pump sprayer like you use for insecticide.   Enough pressure to get into the fins and tight places but not enough to strip paint or force water past seals.
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OK back on point. DO NOT USE A PRESSURE WASHER, they have been known to erode seals in the motor. You can use Gunk engine cleaner, simple green etc to dissolve the oil. Gunk may work best. Use a low pressure garden hose to wash it off. It is pretty clean oil so it should come off without extreme measures.
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 07:24:58 PM »
+1 Simple green undiluted.
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 08:17:02 PM »
I am with Bobby on the Gunk engine degreaser. I have used that a lot on new projects etc. and seems to work very well and is easy on the engine paint and other parts.   If that engine paint though is fresh and new  I would test it first on the underside or some other hidden spot to see if it reacts first.
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 08:36:28 PM »
I knew exactly where this was headed the minute I saw the subject...  Looks like you got some good advice though  :)
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 09:26:45 PM »
Two warnings about cleaners, and I really mean it!

I've had simple green cause rapid oxidation on my aluminum engine that resulted in white powder raised through the paint over the entire engine.  It was a real pain to remove.

I've had engine degreaser completely strip the stock paint off my engine.  It was so good at it that I've taken to using it as my first paint stripping step.  It was a specific engine degreaser from Kragen called "Foaming Engine Degreaser" and it even pulled off some of the stock frame paint!

I am still trying to figure out the best method to clean my bike.  I imagine a good automotive grade paint cleaner would do it, but I won't use simple green or the foaming engine degreaser anymore if I just want to remove dirt.

One caveat on the simple green aluminum oxidation issue... the engine was very warm when I sprayed it on.  Lower temperatures might not create the same result.

Regarding the nascent oil thread... seriously?  I used to run used engine oil from my first car... mixed with brake fluid and coolant in my CB360T because I didn't have enough money for fresh oil for both vehicles.  I've never run an oil that didn't actually lubricate the engine, and how many of us actually drive these bikes enough to be concerned about 50,000 miles of wear?  I'm guessing less than 5%.  So, run whatever the heck you feel like running.  I run fully synthetic mobil one diesel engine formula, but I've also run the cheapest car grade, and the aforementioned concoction. 

One other note on oil.  I changed the oil on my buddy's bike.  He just bought it and rode about 500 miles on it.  The oil had not been changed in about three years, and there were only two cups or less of it in the engine.  It was also the consistency of mud... and I am not exaggerating.  Of course, it ran better with a fresh charge of oil, but at 35k and still going strong, I think it proves a point.  He rides a Suzuki VX800.  Oh, the fresh paint was fully synthetic Mobil One Diesel formula.  The engine doesn't leak either.

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 09:49:30 PM »

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 10:12:34 PM »
Dish soap, hot water, and a scrub brush will really do wonders.

Naphtha will dissolve any residual oil.
It's safe on most paints (EXCEPT enamels like Krylon etc.) and won't harm plastics.   

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2012, 04:48:42 AM »
I would use S100 cleaner and paint brushes with duct tape over the metal (to prevent scratching). S100 is specifically made to clean bikes and works on oil.
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 05:39:31 AM »
Sounds like I've got my work cut out for me....   The universe always has a way of reminding you not to rush things!

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 07:49:09 AM »
Jesse,
           What brand of oil cooler do you have? and is it still available new ? I like MRieck's "solution" that S100 is good stuff  :) and Simple Green is great, I've used it before and make sure to rinse it off very well.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 08:01:46 AM »
Jesse,
           What brand of oil cooler do you have? and is it still available new ? I like MRieck's "solution" that S100 is good stuff  :) and Simple Green is great, I've used it before and make sure to rinse it off very well.

It's an old Lockhart cooler, don't think it'd be worth buying new even if they still made them...  But there are plenty of coolers that are available that will work.  Earl's makes a nice one, a little spendy, though...

Yeah, I'm gonna pick up some S100 on my lunch break today...

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 08:03:24 AM »
I would use S100 cleaner and paint brushes with duct tape over the metal (to prevent scratching). S100 is specifically made to clean bikes and works on oil.

This stuff cleans up the bike really nice. I have to buy it at the harley stores..... ++++123412341234523451324154r3245324321432141324321
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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 08:04:46 AM »
When I have an abundant amount of oil spilled in my garage I use the kitty litter stuff. Cleans and absorbs the oil really well. I wouldnt recommend it for your bike though.

Bright side is you didnt ruin your bike.

Oil from the waist down! Just be very glad you did not get hurt of killed.

The lesson here is do not work in the dark and if you make changes, test them in the shop for leaks before hitting the road.

I am glad you were not hurt or killed.

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Re: Wow that was stupid. How do you clean a whole bike drenched in fresh oil?
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 08:07:15 AM »
Yeah I feel foolish but lucky.  That's god laughing at me for buying the most expensive oil on the market.  And for making the switch to full synthetic, perhaps?

No,it is not the synthetic oil. The synthetic oil is more earth friendly.
I hope you did not come home and not report the oil spill and another
motorcyclist hit YOUR oil on that intersection and was hurt or killed.

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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 08:20:20 AM »
lucky..I think Jesse and his CB400F were a very effective "sponge" and carried the oil to his destination...he was on a ride after all.
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