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Need advice from expert CB750 engine rebuilders...
« on: May 29, 2006, 06:58:27 PM »
I'm in a bit of a quandry here.

A relative is having me repair his 750 K3. It is leaking oil from up near the cylinder head, as is somewhat common for old SOHC-4's that have sat around for 10+ years and then pressed back into service. The motor has never been apart. (I had another thread earlier about this as to finding an OEM top-end seal kit for it.)

The engine is now out of the bike and up on the bench. Originally, the complaint was of oil leakage around the front sprocket area, so we played with the adjustment on the chain oiler, etc. to aleviate the issue. Late last fall I noticed that there was an oily film at the joint between the head and cylinderat the front left corner, so I figured the head gasket was on it's way out and oil from the rocker box was slipping past.

Today when I started removal of the camshaft and valvetrain, I was able to look more closely at the head and there is a lot of oil buildup on the front of the head between the exhaust ports for cylinders 1 and 2. After removing the camshaft towers, I looked into the 3 holes underneath that are plugged with round rubber discs. The middle hole on the left side of the head was all oily below, as if the seal had failed. This would make sense since the bike was leaking badly (oil in this area is somewhat under pressure from the camshaft feeds) and it would run down to the frame rail and run along the rail under the bike until it hit the kickstand boss, and drip onto the floor.

So, here's the issue: Part of me wants to just replace all the O-rings and seals/gaskets in the rocker box and call it a day, as it seems from a lot of the posts I would only have barely a 50/50 chance at reassembling a head gasket that won't leak. I'd rather leave the head alone since it doesn't seem to leak now (I'm basing this assumption on the fact that the oil galleries to the head are on the backside of the engine and show no leakage around those areas). But, the other part of me wants to tear the head off anyway and replace all the gaskets and seals as my luck will have it not long after I fix this leak another one will crop up and I'm stuck ripping the motor out again. Everything else in the motor is fine, so I hadn't planned on any valve work or cam drive repairs.

So, should I just fix this problem and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Or, should I hedge my bets and reseal the whole motor? ???

PS- One other question, what's the cam profile supposed to look like for a stock cam? I'm used to seeing symmetrical cam lobes on car engines, but the 750's cams look like they have asymmetrical lobes, with more of a drop-off on one side. Is this normal, or is the camshaft worn? I've never taken a 750 top end apart before, so I have no prior experience to compare this to.

Thanks!
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Re: Need advice from expert CB750 engine rebuilders...
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 09:04:11 PM »
The cam sounds just right: they have a"flat side" to them on both lobes, more so on the intake lobe. Overall height on a brand new intake lobe is a little over 1.411", for reference. Mine are quite a bit less than that, after 96,000+ miles. Those seals often are mis-installed, even from the factory, because they shift easily while torquing and it's hard to detect afterward. Seat everything carefully, set the cam towers fully down, then install the bearing's holding bolts from the center out to the edges. That long center one (4 in all) must be no more than 8 ft-lbs, or it will pull the threads in the head: there is only 5mm of threads on those center ones. Put a little Loctite on it, too, to help seal and hold.

Chances are, once you removed the head nuts, the base gasket at the bottom of the cylinders lost its seal around the oil-fed engine studs. It will probably leak upon reassembly and a good hard ride, so you might want to pull the jugs and replace that gasket. If you leave the head and cylinders bolted together, you probably won't have to replace the head gasket (I never had trouble this way). When you torque it back together, follow this process to minimize startup heat flexing: 1. Torque the system down to the max torque value (inch lbs), then let it set for 24 hours. 2. Then, go back and loosen each nut, one at a time, one-quarter turn and retorque to the max value. Do this in the original torquing order.

When you go to put the rings back into the cylinders, be sure to oil them well first. That taper at the bottom of the cylinders might be a little rusty, too, so you might want to Scotchbrite it first for smoothness. This will ease the process: you can use a hose clamp (2 at a time), well oiled, as a ring compressor. Make sure the inside edges of the hose clamps are real smooth: emery paper around inside to make sure you don't scratch those well-sealed rings. Tighten the clamp slowly on the rings, then back off from tight a little so it can slip.
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Re: Need advice from expert CB750 engine rebuilders...
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 05:15:41 AM »
Thanks for the tips, Hondaman. I haven't disturbed the head stud nuts yet as I'm still trying to decide if I should press on with disassembly or just repair what I've found.
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