Author Topic: Crazy CR750 on eBay (Read 5181 times)

ElCheapo · « **on:** May 26, 2006, 03:57:01 PM »

Is this guy nuts? Or is this the going rate on a bike like this? Killer look as far as I am concerned.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Honda-CR-750-replica-Honda-CR-750-Racing-Bike_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6708QQitemZ4643102952QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

CaféElite · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2006, 07:06:14 PM »

Based of the description is a replica to the "T" in like new condition so it all depends if your linked to something like that in one way or another.. Maybe your first race was watching that machine win, your dads dream bike or you just look at it and realize that its the most beautifull thing around. Heck maybe you see it as a investment.

Look at all the choppers and hot rods selling for crazy bank. I would pay 20k for that before I would ever pay 20k or more for a OCC bike.

It all comes down to your taste, desire to buy or build and what you bank account is setting at.

needswork · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2006, 08:22:09 PM »

yeah, what cafeelite said. I think the seller will get the 15k. I wonder what people pay for a bike from OCC?

ElCheapo · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2006, 08:23:53 PM »

Quote from: needswork on May 26, 2006, 08:22:09 PM

yeah, what cafeelite said. I think the seller will get the 15k. I wonder what people pay for a bike from OCC?

Actually the OCC bikes start at $30k on a base model. You're waving the "anti-OCC" flag at the wrong guy.

needswork · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2006, 08:27:06 PM »

I wasn't waving a flag, I was really curoius about the OCC bike price. I knew somebody here would know

. I don't particularly like or hate OCC, but I'd rather spend that kind of cash on 2 of that bike on ebay.

ElCheapo · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2006, 08:28:17 PM »

Quote from: needswork on May 26, 2006, 08:27:06 PM

I wasn't waving a flag, I was really curoius about the OCC bike price. I knew somebody here would know . I don't particularly like or hate OCC, but I'd rather spend that kind of cash on 2 of that bike on ebay.

OK sorry just so many people wave that flag. This doe snot mean I like all of thier bikes. Some are nice, some are just not my taste.
But they do start out at $30K and run up from there.

scondon · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2006, 11:10:50 PM »

I'm wondering if you can't just build one yourself for less than 15K. Most of the parts I can see are available new.This one was built in 2001 and raced twice before sitting for four years. Can't say that I'd pay what they're asking if I could build one myself for less.

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2006, 11:54:38 PM »

$15K is probably not a bad price for a complete bike. Mark will build you an engine for around $10K.

Dusthawk · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2006, 12:02:03 AM »

Quote from: RxmanGriff on May 26, 2006, 11:54:38 PM

$15K is probably not a bad price for a complete bike. Mark will build you an engine for around $10K.

Considering that it is identical to a multi-race winning machine, I rather think this isn't a show piece, rather a proven style workhorse ready to go to work at the local track and depending on the rider, put a few trophies on the mantle. I don't see this so much as a replica as a proven design. What they achieved in one bike, they re-cereated in another bike that is being offered for a racer to own.

Just my two cents,

Jeff

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2006, 01:02:37 AM »

Well it's very nice, but if you've got the skills, the time and the patience, you'll do it for a lot less than 15K, but of course most guys don't, so it's probably worth it. Cheers, Terry.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2006, 07:23:38 PM »

Let's not get carried away on this one guys, this is coming from a person that has been there, done it and got the T shirt.

The bike for sale cost a lot to build and is a CR look a like, not a replica.

Several components are on the market, replicated from genuine CR stock.

To name just a few to give you an idea how far out you are at $15,000-00, the gearbox, rear brake hub and fuel and oil tanks will set you back $7,500. US.

That's half way to your $15,000 and you only have 4 components.

OK, nobody can see what gearbox is in the motor, but if it's not a replica part, then the bike isn't a replica.

Sam (CR750) lookalike.

ElCheapo · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2006, 07:30:48 PM »

Quote from: samcr750 on May 29, 2006, 07:23:38 PM

Let's not get carried away on this one guys, this is coming from a person that has been there, done it and got the T shirt.

The bike for sale cost a lot to build and is a CR look a like, not a replica.

Several components are on the market, replicated from genuine CR stock.

To name just a few to give you an idea how far out you are at $15,000-00, the gearbox, rear brake hub and fuel and oil tanks will set you back $7,500. US.

That's half way to your $15,000 and you only have 4 components.

OK, nobody can see what gearbox is in the motor, but if it's not a replica part, then the bike isn't a replica.

Sam (CR750) lookalike.

I think the CR body components alonbe are about $2K.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:31:28 PM »

Quote from: samcr750 on May 29, 2006, 07:23:38 PM

Let's not get carried away on this one guys, this is coming from a person that has been there, done it and got the T shirt.

The bike for sale cost a lot to build and is a CR look a like, not a replica.

Several components are on the market, replicated from genuine CR stock.

To name just a few to give you an idea how far out you are at $15,000-00, the gearbox, rear brake hub and fuel and oil tanks will set you back $7,500. US.

That's half way to your $15,000 and you only have 4 components.

OK, nobody can see what gearbox is in the motor, but if it's not a replica part, then the bike isn't a replica.

Sam (CR750) lookalike.

Hey Sammy, not wanting to piss on your parade, but according to the on line thesauras, there is no difference between the two:

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=replica

Main Entry: replica
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: duplicate
Synonyms: ape, carbon, carbon copy, clone, copy, ditto*, dupe*, facsimile, flimsy*, imitation, likeness, look-alike, mimeo, mimic, miniature, model, reduplication, repeat, replication, repro, reproduction, stat, workalike, xerox
Antonyms: genuine article, original

So............ if your bike doesn't contain exactly the same componentry as the original CR750, (albeit constructed at home from genuine parts and not in the factory) does that just make it a CR750 "wannabe"? Cheers, Terry.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #13 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:40:48 PM »

No Terry not me, But I think Chris would wantitobee

Further more, you would have to piss a long way to piss on my firework.

Sam, builder of all them there things that you said

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #14 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:44:46 PM »

It never got a bid.

I have the full spec of that bike at home, it must have cost over $35,000 at a guess.

Sam.

chung · « **Reply #15 on:** May 29, 2006, 10:50:31 PM »

Have you guys been living in a #$%*ing cave

Or is this Honda 750 thing kinda new to Ya

Mark Mcgrew is one of only a few people on the planet that can deliver a bike like this. I don't even have to look at the Egay thing, I personally know his work, he helped me on many projects and sold me my firt 67mm kit. Vic may try to claim the title but Mark is !!!! MR CR750 !!!!

He builds bikes that would literally Kik the #$%* out of anything that Old Man Honda himself could have mustered into battle in 1970.
It says it's a 2001 model so the Popster may not have won Daytona on it but He may well have won a couple events on that very bike? (sorry, I've been outta touch for several years, check the M3 RACING wesite for history, they do win a lot)

Bust $35k on that #$%* Mark, you deserve every cent Bro,
CHUNG

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2006, 11:22:02 PM »

Chung, Did you get that PM from me ?

Sam.

chung · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2006, 11:50:40 PM »

Yea, I'm just not all over this machine like I used to be. Where is Bud? I hope the Seeley and himself didn't get wet last year in the flood

ElCheapo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2006, 06:47:06 AM »

They never do sell for what you have in them as far as labor and parts. I think Carpy will tell ya that. I would imagine because this is very true for cars it would be true for bikes.

When I was in Highschool you could by a 70 Chevelle (STOCK) for about $1500-$500 depending on what condition you wanted. I paid $200 for my 71 Buick GS with the big block! Dump $12,000 into it with a trick motor and all the goodies. Go to sell it and be lucky of you got $6,000 for it. More than likely you would have gotten $4,000.

Maybe this why I always built my hotrods in highschool out of several junkers.

Nothing like a 427 Yenko in a 76 Vega stationwagon

The car was stupid, it would never hook up, even with 3-4 hundred pounds in the back.

Noel · « **Reply #19 on:** May 30, 2006, 09:40:05 AM »

This appears to be the same bike for sale on the M3 website for $21,900.

http://www.m3racing.com/garagesale/CR750_martinez.html

dusterdude · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2006, 10:40:12 AM »

uh,would you still have that 427?

ElCheapo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2006, 10:55:34 AM »

Quote from: dusterdude on May 30, 2006, 10:40:12 AM

uh,would you still have that 427?

Don't I wish, funny we traded a case of beer to get it originally.

Got the guy at the junk yard drunk and that baby was ours.

This motor was the town bicycle. It ended up in about 12 different vehicles in 3 years. Funny how it kept killing anything we put it in. Just about everyone of the cars was twisted to the point that we could not put a windshield back in it

. It even did some duty in my Jimmy that had a LT1 Camaro body on it with 33 inch tires. Again stupid funny.

MRieck · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2006, 02:29:58 PM »

He has been trying to sell that for a few years now.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:01:31 PM »

Mental note to Terry: Don't spend $35K on "racer" project.

Tim2005 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:15:28 PM »

Hey Chung, I'm with you on that, M3 build some serious competitive race bikes, I've read some write ups on the bikes and their race record and it's pretty impressive. And yeah, Bud's about, he got the Seeley out of state & stored up in time too, he's not on here often but still posts on the mailing list from time to time.

Cheers

Tim

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #25 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:54:04 PM »

I look at all the CR-style bikes with an analytical eye since I am wanting to do a CR-style cafe racer. Basically a naked, slightly de-tuned CR750. Imagine a CR750 and CB750 had sex, the resulting half-breed would be what I want to build.

The question comes, do I get as deeply involved as CR750Sam and others and go for the massively expensive Factory-Spec internal parts such as CR gearbox and magnesium brake hubs, etc, or just go with the CR "cosmetics", (ie, tank, bumpseat, etc), and do the rest via modern aftermarket sources and such.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #26 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:43:40 PM »

That's what I was trying to point out, ours is nothing special and it still cost about £7,000 ($12,500) with the stock motor.

Sam.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #27 on:** May 30, 2006, 09:20:15 PM »

That's just silly................

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #28 on:** May 30, 2006, 09:25:36 PM »

Will you stop talking to yourself

Sam.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #29 on:** May 30, 2006, 10:03:23 PM »

Quote from: samcr750 on May 30, 2006, 09:25:36 PM

Will you stop talking to yourself

Sam.

Sorry, I was looking at my dick...............

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #30 on:** May 30, 2006, 10:12:43 PM »

Now your making sence.

Sam.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #31 on:** May 31, 2006, 05:02:48 AM »

How much better is the magnesium twin-shoe rear brake anyway? That part intrigues me and it seems that M3 Racing sells one. For cost reasons, I'm probably going to keep as many street components as possible, mostly because there's little to no need for the increased performance on the street, (factory was "good enough") and even with all the trick parts, a modern Plastic Fantastic will still smoke you.

I do have a few questions about engine mods though:

The factory claimed 67 hp at the crank for these motors. How accurate is that number? The CR motors made in the area of 90-something hp, correct? I would like to split the difference and see about getting 75 crank hp. That's only about a 12% increase or so over stock, which shouldn't be that difficult right? Just a bit peppier. What other parts need to be uprated to deal with the increased power?

6pkrunner · « **Reply #32 on:** May 31, 2006, 05:30:50 AM »

Theere were no bids on the bike. I'm not sure if this is a reflection of those that have a deep interest in these are not eBay users or that a clone bike doesn't get the interest or devotion that original does.
I can only speak from my dealing with cars, but up to 7 years ago or so clones were treated as a pox and joke in the hobby. Redhaired step children for sure. However when the prices for the cars went through the roof and all the lesser powered versions the clones were a reasonable alrternative. Fast forward to today. now a clone is about the only way the rich, yes rich can afford a vehicle of their wants. The clones are now at a level where the real cars were 10 years ago.
So there must be very serious collectors for the pedigree examples of these bikes, and just that the clone market hasn't taken flight yet? With where the sandcasts are today, in another few years the sandcast clones will be hitting the road and auctions in numbers.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #33 on:** May 31, 2006, 05:46:47 AM »

What the hell is a sandcast clone?

Mark M · « **Reply #34 on:** May 31, 2006, 08:26:08 AM »

You could always just build the real thing.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4640101643&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Noel · « **Reply #35 on:** May 31, 2006, 11:44:00 AM »

Christ. If I had the money...

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #36 on:** May 31, 2006, 02:59:05 PM »

Quote from: Noel on May 31, 2006, 11:44:00 AM

Christ. If I had the money...

You probably wouldn't be here with us paupers...............................

6pkrunner · « **Reply #37 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:17:47 AM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on May 31, 2006, 05:46:47 AM

What the hell is a sandcast clone?

It was actually a joke, but I'll lay money on that soon you will see 1972-1976 or so models wearing all the parts to resemble a sandcast - but for the numbers and actual casings. Early head, tank sidecases,ears, seat, etc. Once these parts can be gotten later bikes will be built to satisfy the demand for the earlier versions. The bad part comes when the clones are good enough to start getting passed off as the real deal. John World is/was selling sandcasts for $21,500 - maybe more now. If some person can build a bike that resembles one for $4,000 and sell it for $7,000 to someone who just wants a bike "like he had" well there it starts. Next the level rises to where the cost of the bike is $8,000 to make but it gets $14,000 advertised as the real deal.

Never think it cannot happen. There are tons of people holding bogus cars that they paid huge amounts for what they thought was the real deal only to be holding clones. And there are several people who are hauling down deep 6 digit a year paychecks to fly around the world to verify the pedigree of cars so a purchaser will not get burnt.
All about dollars and the greed to get them.
If a $30,000 car with $70,000 worth the work can be sold for $750,000......well. And its been done many many many times.

Here is one example of someone who knows a little trying to go fishing. He found a book that stated "L" for 1969 440 hi-po engines. "L" was the engine code for B bodies (Coronet, Charger - Super Bee and Road runner didn't have 440-4bbls until 1970 and the mid 1969.5 440 6 packs were "M" coded)Well in Darts for 1969 it was special order and the prefix should have been "M". And that NO[/b] 440 4-speeds were available. They were all automatics. The 383s could be had in 4 speed trim, but not the 440.

Fake Dart

Several of the most knowledgeable Dart people on the planet tried to talk to the guy but he refused to listen (read, kill my profits) This car has been listed at least three times, and the last had a reserve of $85,5000. This time it was $50,000 as the word is out. The sad thing is that this started life as a 383 4 speed Dart - very collectable.

Another guy just got caught trying to pass off a bogus 1970 hemi'cuda. He is facing up to 42 years in jail. They are finally starting to get tough on these clowns.
The allure of huge quick bucks is too great. And if sandcasts go insane as they are, the clone market will gear up to supply the demand. Caveat empore.

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Author Topic: Crazy CR750 on eBay (Read 5181 times)

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