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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2012, 04:06:26 AM »
If the bike looks like insured by S&W - or Ruger in my case - that helps to keep it safe.  At least in rural Virginia, but I parked my CJ7 with rag top, or doorless in DC too and never lost anything from it.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2012, 06:01:00 AM »
Do you guys sleep with your bikes, too? ;D

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2012, 06:09:06 AM »
Dhall your problem is your bike is a beauty and is always like showroom clean.  Let em get dirty like mine and its just another old bike.  When I go to the local biker bar the guys will walk around my 550 giving it wide birth cause they think its neat and fragile.  The 650 is so ugly nobody wants it.

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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2012, 01:10:48 PM »
Unfortunately that's an issue, especially with the really early ones, K0 etc.

I was "touring" on my 68 CB77 (305 Superhawk) and pulled into a restaurant in Chillicothe for a bite. Parked out front at the curb right by a window, though i couldn't see it from my seating. When i came back out there wasa note on my seat offering to buy the original tank emblems. The originals are plastic and the Honda Wing is done in gold leaf, from the factory. These are no longer available. A good reproduction is now available, but it wasn't at the time of this episode. Even at that, nothing is as valuable as a good looking original which mine are.

I have been offered $150 each for mine.

This individual could have spun them off (2 small screws hold each on) and been gone before I'd have ever known.

I have since bought the Honda metal replacements for everyday use, $15 each, and wrapped the plastic gold leafed ones up and stored them away.

Why don't you sell them then?

What good do they do stored away? You only get pleasure from the feeling of possession....

It is like that typical example of the wine bottle you have kept in your cellar, and before you know, it's value has risen dramatically, so you end up with a bottle with a price you wouldn't pay if you have to buy it, but you don't sell expecting it will get higher..... either way, you don't get any value from it!


I posted recently about this very same thing. I also get paranoid some times with my K1. Maybe it is the right time to sell it and buy a not-so-old one, before it get's popular and appreciated so I can enjoy it without worrying about it.

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2012, 01:42:26 PM »
Unfortunately that's an issue, especially with the really early ones, K0 etc.

I was "touring" on my 68 CB77 (305 Superhawk) and pulled into a restaurant in Chillicothe for a bite. Parked out front at the curb right by a window, though i couldn't see it from my seating. When i came back out there wasa note on my seat offering to buy the original tank emblems. The originals are plastic and the Honda Wing is done in gold leaf, from the factory. These are no longer available. A good reproduction is now available, but it wasn't at the time of this episode. Even at that, nothing is as valuable as a good looking original which mine are.

I have been offered $150 each for mine.

This individual could have spun them off (2 small screws hold each on) and been gone before I'd have ever known.

I have since bought the Honda metal replacements for everyday use, $15 each, and wrapped the plastic gold leafed ones up and stored them away.

Why don't you sell them then?

What good do they do stored away? You only get pleasure from the feeling of possession....

It is like that typical example of the wine bottle you have kept in your cellar, and before you know, it's value has risen dramatically, so you end up with a bottle with a price you wouldn't pay if you have to buy it, but you don't sell expecting it will get higher..... either way, you don't get any value from it!


I posted recently about this very same thing. I also get paranoid some times with my K1. Maybe it is the right time to sell it and buy a not-so-old one, before it get's popular and appreciated so I can enjoy it without worrying about it.
I don't understand your position at all. Humans can draw great pleasure (which is a value) from items that are hidden away from view, just knowing one has them. I'm not worrying about them any longer, (since they are hidden) and i still enjoy them.  There is nothing wrong with that, and perhaps there is where we part. It's just a thing. Some would have to display it, others hide it, the pleasure quotient can be the same, legitimately.

I believe in privte property rights. And one of the words in that concept is "private".

What i do with my property is up to only me. What you do with yours is up to you. I hope it brings you joy.

I think if it did not, either one of us would move it out.  Wine bottles aren't my thing, but if it does it for someone else, more power to them.

On the practical side, I would put them back on once I restore the bike, for shows, and mingling, at times when i can keep my eyes on them. Hope you can see it someday.   :D
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 03:54:07 PM »
I get that there are people out there that steal, but I would never let that stop me from riding an awesome machine.  If I had a pristine K0 or K1, I'd ride that thing everywhere, because that's what they were made to do.  Take the best preventative measures you can, get good insurance, and RIDE. :)  If somebody REALLY wants your bike, they'll take it, no matter what.  Don't let that deter you from enjoying such a fine machine.

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »
I use my steering wheel lock when I am at work all the time. I can't see the bike for hours at a time. I think I will look into a remote location kill switch that would NOT allow the bike to be "jumped" with a paperclip. Am thinking a remotely located battery kill toggle switch would work pretty easily.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2012, 07:17:36 PM »
Yeah, I worry a lot about my 550 since it was restored. I've got a perfect set of side covers, and they could be removed in the blink of an eye. The whole bike could be picked and and put in a van by a skilled crew of 4 (don't laugh- this happened to me in L.A. in the 70's). I leave it where I can see it. The $ I might get from insurance would never make up for my attachment to the bike and all the hours I've put into it.

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2012, 10:05:56 PM »
I try and park it in view when ever possible but I dont stress out over it, it's parked right beside my work and I think most people know not to screw around with the bikes outside of the tattoo shop. Although my co worker came out for a smoke one day to find some drunk skanks sitting on his BSA chopper, all kinds of stupid out there for sure...

If I'm at a store and there's nowhere safe from idiot drivers I just park it on the sidewalk. Y the front door. One of the perks of having a motorcycle, you make your own parking spots alot of the time.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2012, 11:46:59 PM »
For now, since it looks like crap, I park my bike wherever and it generally doesn't get messed with. I'm thinking the side cover that "flew off on the highway from not being properly secured" was actually "stolen while parked at burger king."

I always used a rotor lock though, as I'm pretty sure my steering lock is broken. Once I get it all restored, I'll be parking close and in sight, and maybe fixing the steering lock :D

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 02:15:27 AM »
I don't understand your position at all. Humans can draw great pleasure (which is a value) from items that are hidden away from view, just knowing one has them. I'm not worrying about them any longer, (since they are hidden) and i still enjoy them.  There is nothing wrong with that, and perhaps there is where we part. It's just a thing. Some would have to display it, others hide it, the pleasure quotient can be the same, legitimately.

I believe in privte property rights. And one of the words in that concept is "private".

What i do with my property is up to only me. What you do with yours is up to you. I hope it brings you joy.

I think if it did not, either one of us would move it out.  Wine bottles aren't my thing, but if it does it for someone else, more power to them.

On the practical side, I would put them back on once I restore the bike, for shows, and mingling, at times when i can keep my eyes on them. Hope you can see it someday.   :D

Don't get me wrong, I understand you completely, in fact I feel the same than you with many things. I was just pointing out loud something that I have thought about many times.

When I was a kid, I remember the fable of the man who, afraid of his treasure being stolen,  buried it in the woods, but he couldn't sleep thinking somebody would find it and steal it. So every night he would go in the woods, unbury it, and be happy getting covered of gold coins. Somebody noticed that every night he went out, so one night he followed the man, found the secret, and steal the treasure.

The next night, the old man found his treasure stolen and kept crying the whole night. The next morning somebody passed by and found him crying. "what is this all about?" "My treasure has been stolen" "what good did it give to you? If you wanted the gold just to have it buried, you could have as well buried a stone"

I didn't understand it when I was a kid, but I understand it now. Wine is for being drank. Bikes are for being ridden. Sidecovers are for hiding airboxes from sight. Emblems are for cosmetic purposes. They are just material things. We could bury them and go evernight and enjoy the pleasure of owning them. Or we could drink the wine, ride the bike, show the sidecovers. Shrouds have no pockets.



The more people hide and keep original emblems, the rarest they will become, and the more coveted they will get - the more chances somebody would want to own them and steal them. Are we f%¿?ing crazy??? They are just pieces of plastic!!!!!!  People don't need them for basic needs such as food or shelter!!!! If you want my badges that bad, got get them!!!  If you want my bike that bad, got get it! I have put money -some- and time -very much- on it, but at the end of the day, it is just a thing, I can always get another one.

"Shrouds have no pockets". That line changed my way of seeing things. I try to find pleasure not in ownership, but in wearing them out.

Just thinking out loud, as I said.

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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 05:24:29 AM »
"If you wanted the gold just to have it buried, you could have as well buried a stone"

I don't agree with this. Hence I find no value in the parable. His problem was one of obsessiveness.  I have rare parts stashed in the shop. Gold and silver in the lockbox. I don't obsess over it. If no one else ever sees either, including me, makes no difference to me. Provides plenty of pleasure and satisfaction, and until this thread, no one else ever knew.

If its stolen, highly unlikely, I put that in the same category as getting hit by a tornado. Out of my hands. If it  were on display, and were stolen, well that is/was within my ability to avoid. So I take reasonable steps to avoid.

But i appreciate the thoughtfullness.   :D
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 08:22:06 AM »
ill chime in. what the hell.

like most of you, i ride my bike everywhere i possibly can. there are always places where ill park and think the worst. i do have insurance. like someone else mentioned, its pretty cheap on these old bikes. its more of a peace of mind. I dont stress about it, though i do take precuations. ive had our house broken into when i was younger and its always left a bad taste in my mouth about things like that. i dont use the steering lock. in fact im not even sure if i have one lol. i do use, however, a heavy duty cable style bicycle lock that i run threw the frame and rear wheel. yes it can be cut or whatever but it will definatly slow someone down and maybe even deter someone from taking it more than the 1 foot it will roll with it on.

as far as individual peices of my bike... ther're all aftermarket and cheap anyways  :P
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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 08:40:43 AM »
If you want my bike that bad, got get it! I have put money -some- and time -very much- on it, but at the end of the day, it is just a thing, I can always get another one.

I see your point, Raul, but as you say here, you put time and money (and money is time unless it is given to you) into whatever you have.  Guess what?  You can't get that time back, you only get so much on this earth.  To replace what some douchebag steals from you, you have to spend more of your irreplaceable time.  That is what they are really stealing from you.  Of course, only you can determine the value of your time.  Personally, I place a lot of value on mine, and it gets more valuable as I run out of it.

Back on topic, M/C covers and remote alarms are good deterrents.  Out of sight, out of mind works to a considerable extent.  And remote alarms are available reasonably priced.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2012, 08:49:46 AM »
Yes I meant to mention that as well. That is a good cover. Makes me feel good anyway, to cover my FJR, for example. I think a cover is the most benign, but most effective deterrent. Doesn't even have to be very stout. Also protects against UV damage which i think is worse than letting it sit in the rain.

Problem with some is they don't have enough room in the front to allow the fork lock use, can't turn it to lock and still get the cover on. But use of a disc lock or rear wheel cable wrap fixes that.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2012, 02:07:51 PM »
Problem with some is they don't have enough room in the front to allow the fork lock use, can't turn it to lock and still get the cover on. But use of a disc lock or rear wheel cable wrap fixes that.

I've only owned two different motorcycle covers, but both of them were designed and shaped to fit the bike with the front wheel turned all the way to the left.  I figured that was a common feature to allow for the use of the steering lock. 

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2012, 03:05:12 PM »
Problem with some is they don't have enough room in the front to allow the fork lock use, can't turn it to lock and still get the cover on. But use of a disc lock or rear wheel cable wrap fixes that.

I've only owned two different motorcycle covers, but both of them were designed and shaped to fit the bike with the front wheel turned all the way to the left.  I figured that was a common feature to allow for the use of the steering lock.
Curious. I've actually collected several over the years, major brand names all. None will allow for the fork to be turned, all must be straight ahead.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2012, 07:26:01 PM »
I keep a long shank master lock and lock it through the rear sprocket when I leave my bike in an area of concern.  A cheap way to keep it from walking off. So far it's worked. lol

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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2012, 02:22:50 AM »
If you want my bike that bad, got get it! I have put money -some- and time -very much- on it, but at the end of the day, it is just a thing, I can always get another one.

I see your point, Raul, but as you say here, you put time and money (and money is time unless it is given to you) into whatever you have.  Guess what?  You can't get that time back, you only get so much on this earth.  To replace what some douchebag steals from you, you have to spend more of your irreplaceable time.  That is what they are really stealing from you.  Of course, only you can determine the value of your time.  Personally, I place a lot of value on mine, and it gets more valuable as I run out of it.


I have thought about this subject many many times. I restored my CB350 when I took a year off from work. If I put things in perspective, with the money I would have earned in my daily job, I would have had money to buy three bikes, and still keep money to spend.

So, if my CB350 gets stolen, would I lose the time I spent? The time is already gone. If it gets stolen, crashed, burnt to ashes, it will be just some metal and plastic being gone. I learnt a lot about mechanics and about myself along the restoration. The finished bike was a target, a goal, and I stuck to it and was able to have the will to achieve the goal. The goal was just the excuse. What I achieved is still inside of me, it is not a restored bike. If the bike is gone, I can always restore another one, or buy one new. Nobody will steal that from me, they can just steal the product of what I learnt.

If you buy a bike and it gets stolen, you lose your property. If you build a bike and it gets stolen, you lose the product of your craftmanship, but you still posess that craftmanship. Obviously, you lose some property too, that's undeniable, but when you put more value in your craftmanship than in your money, the money lost becomes something not that relevant after all.

You can lose all your posessions in a tornado, but unless you die during the storm, a tornado won't take away from you what you have lived, what you have enjoyed, and what you are able to do. That's my point of looking at these things.


Why do I enjoy building bikes? Because it is something you can't buy. You can buy a custom bike, but you can't buy the skill to build it. You have to conquer that skill. Like finishing a marathon, no money will make you finishing one, unless you put your sneakers on and start training! That's the feeling of acomplishment! No money can buy that! Once you have rebuilt your bike, you can show it off, but the day it is gone, the feeling of acomplishment won't go away, will remain inside of you for ever.


Obviously, the less of a thing you have, the more valuable it gets. I'm 40, I guess that if I get to 60, I will stop doing some things in favour of others. Getting a bike, or a sidecover, stolen will definitely piss me off, but if you put things in perspective, nobody will care in 40 years time. My point is: if you have something so valuable that using it gives you more headache than pleasure, sell it and get something simpler. Not trying to convince anybody. I myself spend sometimes minutes and minutes staring at my bikes from every angle, but I don't do it for aesthetic purposes, but for thinking what I've done, what it's left, and thinking how will it turn out, not for the feeling of possession if you catch my drift.


One day my sister in law was at home and, when she saw my library -I don't think she has more than 10 books at home-, asked me whether I had read them all. I replied I had read just a few, so she asked me what did I want them for, so I replied: "obviously, to read them. I buy them when I think a book may be interesting to read, and then I put it in my library until it is its turn." Some books wait 10 years until it is their turn. It doesn't make much difference to Charles Dickens to be read 10 years up or down....  and when a book is read, if it is a classic, I give it away. If I don't like it, I simply throw it away or give it away, and some of them I keep them for my children.

It is pointless to keep a book you can always buy. The cost of keeping "A tale of two cities" is higher than buying it again in 20 years time. If the book is stolen, I don't mind, I can always buy another one. And once you have read it, the book is inside you, you have made it your own, and then the physical book is just the product of your work. You have worked it through the pages, but once you read it, you own it. I'm not talking about the paper; you own the content, and then, the physical book is just an inanimate object.


I hope the analogy works to explain how I feel about bikes.
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Re: Leaving my SOHC4 alone
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 06:02:35 AM »
I have had far too many people say something like "My steering lock stuck and I can't ride my bike" to trust those damn things.  Never use 'em.

Besides, that steering lock won't stop three big dudes with a pickup truck.

If you're worried about security get one of these:

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and secure your bike to something solid.  Like three big dudes and a pickup truck.

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2012, 11:05:16 AM »
I have had far too many people say something like "My steering lock stuck and I can't ride my bike" to trust those damn things.  Never use 'em.

I little PB blaster in the key hole and that lock will work like it's 1970 all over again ;)
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