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« on: February 04, 2012, 03:20:36 AM »
What's you opinion on this? I know the economy is bad, layoffs, company's going out of business, etc. and if you've got a good job you should be very thankful. I know I am. I live in Greensboro, NC and panhandling is at ever busy intersection. The signs are all the same - Out of work, Need money, Need food, Homeless, God bless you. I know there are many good, hard working people that have fallen on bad times and that's a sad situation, but IMO I think most of the ones on the side of the street holding there signs are just plain con artist. Taking hand outs from generous people has turned into there full time job. And at a busy street corner hundreds, maybe thousands of cars pass by in a days time. And at the end of the day many have a nice roll of cash in there pocket I'm sure. Have you ever rolled down your window and slipped them a few bucks. I have at times in the past, but don't do it anymore.
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 03:49:50 AM »
As long as they do not become aggressive about it I let it go.  I am not polite to those who stick their head in the window or shout at me. My middle finger reflex is fast, real fast.

I always give the finger to the Jesus shouters on the corner in Mint Hill.  Begging you so they can make their preacher rich...buffoons.

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 05:06:46 AM »
I don't like it and never give them money.There was a news piece last year, it filmed one guy. Showed him panhadling, then he left in an SUV to go to a store, grabbed a large beer, then went back to "work".
I do like the creative signs, "Why lie, I need a beer!" Or, "Need money for private jet fuel".
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 05:17:09 AM »
The ones I like are " I WILL DO ANY WORK FOR FOOD MONEY" JUST STOP AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE A COUPLE CORDS OF WOOD TO SPLIT, suddenly their backs starts hurting.

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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 05:28:16 AM »
Well I've gotta give your panhandlers some credit for making the effort, over here, unemployment benefits are so good our "down and outers" don't have to make an effort, the government houses them or pays their rent, gives them money and subsidizes as many kids as they can pop out.

Most of the long term unemployed are also criminals and drug addicts, so they make plenty of money on the side dealing drugs to other scumbags and committing crimes, and the government looks after them so well, there's not much incentive to find a job and make an honest living.

I'd love to see them all "disappear", but I can't see the government reducing my taxes if the welfare budget returns a surplus, so I suppose I'll just have to continue supporting someone else's family, as well as my own.  ::)
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 05:42:11 AM »
I hear ya Terry! We of course have similar issues due to our social system. Most of the folks on the street begging are there by choice (ok bad choice of words) but i mean there are some shelters with vacancies but they would rather be on the street than inside. Most of the folks truly on the street have mental problems and or severe addictions (I have to step over them on my way to work while their passed out in their own puke and piss).

I was at a coffee shop the other day and this pathetic looking old man was begging for change but thencame in side and pulled out a wad of cash that would likely pay off my credit card debt!

As a rule I don't give themanything although I have given one guy food for his dog many times.....I figure he has a choice, that German Sheppard with him doesn't

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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 05:52:53 AM »
I give them food if I've got it, but I don't really feel money helps them, other than perpetuating their situation.  And, food can't be spent on booze or drugs.

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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 06:11:23 AM »
Giving a panhandler money isn't going to help them, IMO.  You're just helping to buy them their next bottle of booze or next fix.  The people in a bad way who are actually trying to do something to change their situation for the better aren't out on a street corner every day begging for money. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 07:14:52 AM »
Maybe I just look like nice guy or maybe in there eyes a sucker. This hasn't happened in a while,  but at Service Stations, McDonalds, Lowes, Home Depot etc. I've been approched by people telling me all kind of reasons they need money. Here just a few:

My car ran out of gas down the street can I have some money for gas.
I haven't ate in several days can you spare some money(by his size didn't look he had missed any meals)
I need bus fair to get back home (lived in another state)
Im a church youth leader I lost my wallet and our van needs gas can you help me. Again vehicle is not near by, its in some other location.
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 07:40:07 AM »
I WAS 1 of those unemployed back in '91' because the Aircraft co I worked for went out of business. I worked in Texas and made 12.50$ an hour then moved back to NM where I was raised. I then worked at a oil field equipment repair shop for 2 month at 7.00$ PH then was layed off, went to file for unemployment and it was filed against TEXAS income, I got 440.00$ per week UI and I rode that for a year cause there was no way I could make that amount working 40 hours a week in NM. It turned out to be perfect timing, I spent the whole year running around with my DAD who passed that same year from the BIG C.

DHall if you report the beggers to the store,  they will call GPD and have them aressted for being on PRIVATE property.

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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 07:58:21 AM »
Maybe I just look like nice guy or maybe in there eyes a sucker. This hasn't happened in a while,  but at Service Stations, McDonalds, Lowes, Home Depot etc. I've been approched by people telling me all kind of reasons they need money. Here just a few:

My car ran out of gas down the street can I have some money for gas.
I haven't ate in several days can you spare some money(by his size didn't look he had missed any meals)
I need bus fair to get back home (lived in another state)
Im a church youth leader I lost my wallet and our van needs gas can you help me. Again vehicle is not near by, its in some other location.

 I have heard  all of it. I got stopped  by the same guy with the same story in downtown one time, I yelled at him," dude, at least come up with a different story to entertain me, you lazy #$%*." He swore it was not him.
  One time, a guy told me that he had a wife and a baby in a car with a flat tire. Needed 16 dollars to fix the flat. I gave him 10 bucks. Then I tailed  him. He went into a bar got himself a glass of beer. I asked him how the beer is gonna fix the flat.
 

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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 08:02:26 AM »
When I see someone panhandling I am reminded that there but for grace of God go I...
(And I am not an overtly religious person, I don't go to church or subscribe to any particular religion.)

Yes, giving a buck to a homeless person will not raise them out of poverty but it's always good to remember how lucky you are and it's good to give a little back once in a while.
Especially these days when so many more people are on the street often times because of circumstances beyond their control.

That being said, yes I do realize there are a lot people out there who, for one reason or another, have chosen to "drop out".
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 08:39:38 AM »
I WAS 1 of those unemployed back in '91' because the Aircraft co I worked for went out of business. I worked in Texas and made 12.50$ an hour then moved back to NM where I was raised. I then worked at a oil field equipment repair shop for 2 month at 7.00$ PH then was layed off, went to file for unemployment and it was filed against TEXAS income, I got 440.00$ per week UI and I rode that for a year cause there was no way I could make that amount working 40 hours a week in NM. It turned out to be perfect timing, I spent the whole year running around with my DAD who passed that same year from the BIG C.

DHall if you report the beggers to the store,  they will call GPD and have them aressted for being on PRIVATE property.

DHall,,  if you need parts you'll have to come out, I got tons of CB parts. I live just west of the YADKIN River past W/S.
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 08:43:26 AM »
When I see someone panhandling I am reminded that there but for grace of God go I...
(And I am not an overtly religious person, I don't go to church or subscribe to any particular religion.)

Yes, giving a buck to a homeless person will not raise them out of poverty but it's always good to remember how lucky you are and it's good to give a little back once in a while.
Especially these days when so many more people are on the street often times because of circumstances beyond their control.

That being said, yes I do realize there are a lot people out there who, for one reason or another, have chosen to "drop out".

But you're just doing it to make yourself feel better about that person's situation.  I'm not saying that's wrong. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 08:50:00 AM »
 One day I said to a panhandledr, "I wish I had a pair of pants as nice as yours..".. to which he replied.. "I wish I had a bike like yours"... I was riding a vintage bicycle.......lol...
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 08:58:21 AM »
I've been temped on a day off or something to go and sit and watch them (the panhandlers) for  the day and than follow them to see where they go after they put up there signs and leave the street corner ::)
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 09:08:43 AM »
When I see someone panhandling I am reminded that there but for grace of God go I...
(And I am not an overtly religious person, I don't go to church or subscribe to any particular religion.)

Yes, giving a buck to a homeless person will not raise them out of poverty but it's always good to remember how lucky you are and it's good to give a little back once in a while.
Especially these days when so many more people are on the street often times because of circumstances beyond their control.

That being said, yes I do realize there are a lot people out there who, for one reason or another, have chosen to "drop out".

But you're just doing it to make yourself feel better about that person's situation.  I'm not saying that's wrong.

Like the song says, it's hard to be humble.  Really, genuinely, humble.
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Re: Panhandling
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 09:20:12 AM »
the ones here in Lawrence ks really suck they will stop you when walking down the street and start begging it's disgusting if they ask for a dollar i will take out a fifty and say if they can recite the whole entire poem rhyme of the ancient mariner by Samuel Taylor Coleridge i will give them the $50.00 dollar bill usually it ends with them telling me to f@#k off. i work for my money and i feel they should too.as far as the church people go they stand in the mediums on the street when you pull up to the stop light you take a 5 dollar bill out and when the gets ready turn green crack the window stick the bill out roll up the window they can't pull it out and then drive off.here in Kansas a person that is taking donations only has to turn in 15% of what they take in.I'm not a beggar i do not like welfare at all i do not believe that our government should give out benefits of any sort to deadbeats.when i was down for 4 months from motorcycle wreck i did without we had a nestegg that lasted that long so i was in decen shape to survive. so bottom line with me is panhandling and begging are completly disgusting people say there are no jobs mc donalds is always hiring in fact all the fast food joints hire all the time.i feel sorry for people who lost their jobs because of downsizing but hey there are jobs out here you might have to lower your standards it's called survival.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2012, 10:15:20 AM »
Eh, if I have a few spare dollars in my pocket and it looks like someone in need and they ask politely it is hard to say no.

I am usually willing to help out someone in need that asks for it.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 10:39:13 AM »
when they ask for change I tell them change come from within.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2012, 12:08:33 PM »
There is one thing we can't avoid: if somebody doesn't want to work, he won't. Begging is safer than stealing, but if by begging he can't get enough to get a living, he will steal.

With a pure economic point of view, I prefer to give some pocket coins every now and then, than having my stereo stolen, my house broken into, or paying tax money supporting an inmate.

Sometimes people offer to sell paper handkerchiefs or mini-flashlights at a premiun. Obviously I could buy them cheaper at a "dollar tree". They do that because begging makes him feel bad: selling something at least gives them some "self esteem", some feeling that they are indeed working instead of begging. I buy the odd article every now and then.

I work in one of the biggest train stations, and occasionally somebody would ask me for something for food. I offer to pay him coffee and pastries. They always accept. While we have coffee I use to ask them for their whereabouts. Usually they have sad stories behind. Busted after a divorce, have to live in the streets. Being a drug addict for a long time, can't get a job. And with the financial crisis, this is getting pretty common. I feel lucky that I have a job, so if I can offer a hot coffee and something to eat to somebody who has slept on the cold streets, I'm glad to do it.


On the train back home, usually I meet with the same guy that many afternoons ask for "money, or something edible you could give me". The guy looks like a heroine addict. If you think about it, he is not "living without working" because for that, he would have to stay in bed and the money would come flying towards his pockets. He wakes up every day, got to the station, probably jumps the turnpike, and if he wants money, he has to ask for it in every wagon, saying the same sentence every time. He must do that one time after the other, one day after the other, to get some money. I bet that if he would be offered a job, he would accept it, because, after that, he is working to get some money.


There is an african guy begging at the door of a market, and one day I heard an old lady asking him to "go get a job". Easier said than done. With almost 20% unemployment in Spain, how many chances an inmigrant without visa could get a job? If giving him a coin every now and then is enough to have him 8 hours a day in front of the supermarket, at least you have him under control and he is not dealing with drugs or robbing your kids.

Some times is is a matter of justice, and some times it is simply being practical, but I give more now than I used to, because it is true that many people is going through hard times, and probably more people will.


There are some ways to avoid people who just want the easy living. One day one guy asked me for "some change he had to make a phone call". I took my mobile phone off the pocket and asked him to tell me the number, he could borrow mine. He replied "it is not for now, I have to make the phone call this afternoon"....

Another day a lady, while I was getting my train ticket from the machine, asked me for "20 cents she needed for the ticket". I told her to put the money in the machine and select the ticket, that I would put all the money she would need. She shouted at me "what? You don't trust in me???" I said: "Do you need the money or not? If you do, put what you have and I'll put the rest".

Another day, another lady, asked me for money she needed to travel to somewhere. I replied the same :"let's go to the ticket booth, you put what you have and I'll pay the rest". She replied "oh no, it is not for the train, it is for the bus" so I replied "Then, what are you doing asking for money in the train station? and left.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2012, 01:06:31 PM »
There is a guy I see often around the neighborhood who is mentally unstable and maybe homeless.  I don't know for sure.  I see him with his shopping cart full of cans at times, other times I see him panhandling on the street corner.  I give him a few dollars or onetime my tasty leftovers from the restaurant I was returning from.  He liked that. ;D  I have never seen him drinking or passed out anywhere so I don't think that is the issue.  When I think back it seems we have always had one or two individuals like this around the area probably due to the big park, large woods, and stream across the street from me that provide them a place to shelter out of the public eye.  I see plenty of panhandlers with bikes and backpacks too who obviously look capable of working and I may ignore them but I see many like the individual mentioned who are obviously impaired.  I am a bit surprised at the harshness of some in this supposed "Christian Nation" but now we have a candidate who doesn't care so I guess people take a cue from that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2012, 05:53:14 PM »
It was so bad here that they just passed a law that nobody can stand in the median of a road.  As an unintended consequence, the Sunday paper guy is now screwed too...
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2012, 06:47:30 PM »
There's a rescue mission in town that has a second hand store that I donate stuff to whenever I can. My inlaws have hired people from there for day labor and they are good workers. I tell panhandlers to go there for help,
Occasionly I will give someone cash if they seem sincere, but they're probably feeding me a line.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2012, 07:04:54 PM »
heres how rodney rude deals with them,foul language warning,and a thong here in australia is a flip flop or type of sandle.
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