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Offline clintcd

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change relay contacts
« on: July 21, 2012, 01:00:29 AM »
Hi,
I am trying to sketch the detailed circuit for the combined speed control and gear selector circuits for the carburettor solenoid. I am unable to get a layout of the internal coils and contacts in the change relay. Does anybody have a diagram showing this or could you explain the operation of the relay for the circuits it controls to me.

Thank you.

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Re: change relay contacts
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 09:41:25 AM »
I have a sketch - but it is at work.  Have to wait till Monday.

Power is available to the change relay and the speed warning unit coils when the time the key is ON. 

The change relay coil is grounded anytime the bike is in gear via either contact on the changing switch.

The speed warning unit coil is grounded anytime the bike is moving slower than 16 MPH.

The change relay when OFF:

  • provides power to the neutral bulb
  • provides power to the starter magnetic switch circuit (which needs a ground via the start button to work)
  • blocks power from getting to the speed warning unit/solenoid circuit

When the change relay is ON:

  • removes power from the neutral bulb
  • removes power from the starter magnetic switch circuit (can't run the starter motor when in gear)
  • provides power to the speed warning unit/solenoid circuit

The solenoid circuit is then completed via the contact is the speed warning unit.

The problem I had figuring this out - and also today - is that the speed warning unit has four wires going to it.  The picture in the service manual only shows three wires - making the service manual pretty much impossible to figure out.  The schematic shows the four wires.  I only figured this circuit out by combining the info from the schematic with the picture in the service manual.

Have you tested the solenoid?  Mine will open/close with a 9v battery.

Others have found the vacuum check valve to stop working. 

Have you checked the dashpot?

Based on my interpretation of the schematic, if your neutral light goes OFF when you put the bike in gear, then at least part of the changing relay is working.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 01:13:39 PM by kandrtech »
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.

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Re: change relay contacts
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 04:31:34 AM »
Hi kandrtech,

Thank you for this explanation, it is very helpful.
The solenoid and check valve appear to be fine, but it could be that one of them is sticking, once the system works then it will be fine until the next cold start. Is there any check I can do on the dashpot, it appears to be working but I do not know how to test it.

Thank you.
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Re: change relay contacts
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 06:15:50 AM »
I haven't tried it on mine - but usually you can just put a hose on it, and just suck on the hose and see if the dashpot pulls in.  Then - when suction is applied - plug the hose/hold the vacuum - and see if the dashpot slowly changes position (indicating a leak).
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.