Author Topic: Electronic ignition (Read 10123 times)

paulmac · « **on:** February 21, 2012, 09:44:40 PM »

Has anybody used this electronic ignition system in their bikes. It is selling on E-Bay and comes from Konstanz in Germany and is called ACCENT ignition. It sells for $171.00 au

dave500 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:53:58 PM »

does that use your original coils?

mick7504 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:04:19 AM »

I think that Rob (Voxonda) sells these and also CMSNL.
They've been around for a while.
It could be Rene (Howell) that actually makes them?

?
You can download a PDF about them here.
http://www.cmsnl.com/products/electronic-ignition_00000kit0046/
Rob would be the man to talk to.

nippon · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:12:05 AM »

This is my listing. I'm selling them.
If you have questions, please contact me through email or pm me.

Thomas

paulmac · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:30:32 AM »

Yes it does Dave. It says you can use it with the standard 5 ohm coils, I got a copy of the fitting instructions and it is very easy to fit.

nippon · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:59:55 AM »

They are designed for stock coils. If you want to use BolD'or coils or Dyna coils, you have to use another rotor, which is available, too.
It's a ten minutes job to mount and adjust them. No stroboscope light is needed. The cables have the rigth colors and connectors.

nippon

fire113 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:12:31 AM »

...I have had one of this Accent but I don't use them anymore, there is a better ignition from Fourever-classic-parts.

Take a look @page 373--> http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=61168.9300

Have a good one...Georg

nippon · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:40:57 AM »

attestable advantages or noticeable differences except the color?

70CB750 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:03:48 AM »

Is it Hall effect reader?

Bodi · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:58:38 AM »

I'm curious about this ignition too. From my reading it is a hall effect trigger. There are hints in the instruction sheet that it has a 180 degree dwell rather than the extended on dwell that Dyna basic ignitions have, so it should draw approx equal power to the stock unit. Plus it shouldn't have the high RPM energy loss that the Dyna experiences.
The manual mentions that the optional rotor for 3 ohm coils shortens the on duration from 180 to 110 degrees: that suggests that the stock rotor has a triggering section covering 180 degrees of its diameter, an interesting approach.

Fire113 you state that the one you recommend is better: how and why? Their basic operation is clearly similar: the board layouts are almost identical. What problems does the Accent have that this one addresses, or what improvements does it incorporate?

nippon · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:15:10 AM »

Nothing is wrong with this ignition and no improvements are needed. The ignition works well. As we heard from several sides, there were some
problems in the past between the manufacturer of the ignitions and his distributor, so the former distributor decided to make his own.
Evil tongues say, he just 'copied' it, but i'm far away to say or confirm this in the public. Not my cup of coffee.
In my humble opinion, i say (value-free), there is just a another ignition with different color. For CB owners,
it's a perfect situation, they have a further alternative. If you like green, take the Accent, if you like blue, take the other one.

BTW, Rene does not make them, they are made in Germany.

nippon

70CB750 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:29:46 AM »

Pamco runs on hall effect too, I use it and I am very happy with it.

fire113 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:19:00 AM »

Quote from: Bodi on February 22, 2012, 02:58:38 AM

Fire113 you state that the one you recommend is better: how and why? Their basic operation is clearly similar: the board layouts are almost identical. What problems does the Accent have that this one addresses, or what improvements does it incorporate?

As I know the circuit is better designed should and be saver, I had an ACCENT-ignition before and I went to the Fourever-Classic-Parts-ignition to the rest of my bikes.

Hi Thomas,

...go and ask Ralph if he just copied it

and please let me know the answer.

Have a good one...Georg

cb550choppa · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:38:22 AM »

im running dyna electronic ignition love it so far starts first kick and its never done it bfore seems alot more responsive too

nippon · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2012, 06:32:56 AM »

Hi Georg,

please read my posting again.....i'm far away to confirm this and i'm not interested in,... because it's not my cup of coffee.
And every medal has two sides, if you would ask the other side, i guess. Who cares?
Should not be our problem.

And, if you're happy with your ignition, it's fine.
Same here.

nippon

fire113 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:17:20 AM »

Quote from: nippon on February 22, 2012, 06:32:56 AM

Hi Georg,
please read my posting again.....i'm far away to confirm this and i'm not interested in,... because it's not my cup of coffee.
And every medal has two sides, if you would ask the other side, i guess. Who cares?
Should not be our problem. And, if you're happy with your ignition, it's fine.
Same here.
nippon

Hi Thomas,

...OHPS! SORRY!, my Brain was in standby

And sure, every medal has two sides!

Have a good one...Georg

nippon · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:20:51 PM »

Will do so,....just went out for a small hardaware reset (some beers) after work.

nippon

mick7504 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:01:02 PM »

Quote from: nippon on February 22, 2012, 03:15:10 AM

Nothing is wrong with this ignition and no improvements are needed. The ignition works well. As we heard from several sides, there were some
problems in the past between the manufacturer of the ignitions and his distributor, so the former distributor decided to make his own.
Evil tongues say, he just 'copied' it, but i'm far away to say or confirm this in the public. Not my cup of coffee.
In my humble opinion, i say (value-free), there is just a another ignition with different color. For CB owners,
it's a perfect situation, they have a further alternative. If you like green, take the Accent, if you like blue, take the other one.
BTW, Rene does not make them, they are made in Germany.
nippon

My apologise Thomas.
I had it in my head that Rene made them for some reason.
Just as a side note - My wife was made in Germany too, so they must be good.

Mick

nippon · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:04:21 PM »

you must be a lucky husband.

lrutt · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:10:30 PM »

Long live points

BobbyR · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:57:52 PM »

I replaced my Dyna which crapped out. It was great until it wasn't. There were a lot of reports of problems. I went with PAMCO, a quick ride is all I have taken so we will see how it holds up.

paulmac · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:18:33 AM »

Well guys thanks for all the feedback on this issue. I'm going to give the accent ignition a try.

Duanob · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:01:00 AM »

The one thing I like about the Dyna is they encase the electrinics and tranisistors in water proof plastic. The part of the motor where the ignition mounts is subject to water splashing up form ther road. May not be an issue in other parts of the country but here in western washington we ride on wet roads most of the year, sometimes even summer riding can be wet. Eventhough there is a gasket on the timing cover it doesn't keep moisture out 100%

TwoTired · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:36:29 AM »

Quote from: Duanob on February 23, 2012, 09:01:00 AM

Eventhough there is a gasket on the timing cover it doesn't keep moisture out 100%

Well it should, or you simply have a bad gasket. There is still stuff inside that cover that can rust. The "normal" cork gasket is inadequate, especially after the crush of the first installation. It is rather easy to make a reusable neoprene gasket for the points cover with material available at the local hardware store.
I've done this to all my SOHC4s. It keeps the inside dry and is reusable. The first one I made in the early 80's still functions as when first installed, as have all the others I made.

I would think that keeping the inside dry on an electronic ignition would be even more important, as the under cover service interval is reportedly greatly extended. When will you inspect for rust and corrosion? When something rusts through and breaks on the highway, perhaps?

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2012, 11:01:27 AM »

I just cant resist posting about exposed, very delicate electronics under the points cover on a bike.... just couldn't have it....

. One tiny 'touch' of a tool or metal object on all that exposed circuitry and POOF the ignition has failed and lost it's smoke..... at least the Dyna stuff is closed-up.

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Author Topic: Electronic ignition (Read 10123 times)