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Offline 75 super sport

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I took the carburetors off of my 1975 cb750 super sport that I just picked up and it has been sitting a very long time. 10 years or more. White corrosion and pits fill my float bowl. Just wondering if my engine is going to look the same, or if I am going to get lucky. Thanks in advance for the advice. Attached is a pic of my float bowl.

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« Last Edit: February 26, 2012, 05:20:00 PM by 75 super sport »
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Offline fmctm1sw

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I don't think I've ever seen a motor look like that on the inside...  Plenty of carbs though  :D
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Wow, that is severe. For the time and money spent rebuilding those, I would consider buying another rack of carbs.  it can be done, though.
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Offline LesterPiglet

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The easiest way to find out about the engine is drain the oil and see what it looks like. You know it turns over.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Dropping the oil pan may be a good idea too.
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Heck those carbs aint bad, the motors on these old Honda's seem to seal up quite nicely and let very little in.
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If there had been any water/moisture in the cylinders it would be locked up after sitting for that length  of time.  Get a compression reading on all cylinders and see what the oil looks like.  I am curious as to how the carbs got into that condition.  With gas evaporating you usually see more brown gummy residue.  What if anything is in the gas tank and what does it look like on the inside? 
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could that be a sign of a kreamed tank an the petcock left open?
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Definitely the petcock was left open but there must have been a high water content in the gas.  Water, chemical residue from the gas, and aluminum make a fine stew. :P

Offline 75 super sport

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The tank is full of rust..  Whats my best bet for that as well? Get it blasted at a local blasting shop?
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chemical stripper, radiator shops also have stripping solutions , or alot of lemon juice, coke, clean screws nuts put them in a shake 
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I much prefer the electrolysis derust method for the tank.  Acid removes both rust and some of the base metal.  Electrolysis just removes the rust.  Both rust and acid can etch holes into steel.

I speculate the white stuff is Zinc oxide.  The carb base metal likely has zinc alloyed in it.  Many gas additives have an alcohol base.  Alcohol will draw water out of the atmosphere and combine with other air impurities. Ethanol can be oxidized to acetaldehyde and further oxidized to acetic acid, depending on the reagents and conditions.
Acetic acid is mildly corrosive to metals including iron, magnesium, and zinc, forming hydrogen gas and salts called acetates.

I'm an amateur chemist at best.

For sure, you need to remove the white stuff to see how much base metal of the carb bodies has converted.  You may also need to rod out the air jet passages as well and the pilot circuit pathways in the carb bodies.
The motor uses different alloys than the carbs do.  So, unless the engine was submerged in water, it is probably okay.  I don't think the carbs internals necessarily reflect what the motor insides look like, especially if it turns over.  But, if the bike was a flood victim, who knows?

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As far as your gas tank, read this...


http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=31970.0
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The electrolysis really, really works well.  Just did 2 this weekend that were awful.  Unfortunately, 1 had a pinhole, but both look new inside.

I also agree with the others - drop the oil pan and give the oil pump a once over.

On a positive note - I've saved some pretty bad carbs.    Do a search for "home made soda blaster"    Cheap, easy and very, very effective.
I boil my disassembled carbs one at a time on an old camping stove (all parts to each carb) for about 10 minutes in a little simple green and water.  Then, while the next carb is boiling, I soda blast the one that just came out of the bath.   The heat, combined with the simple green really softens old varnish etc.

Then blast them with some carb cleaner and compressed air.    After they are assembled - hit them again with more cleaner and compressed air.
Carbs can never be too clean.

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If you look at the OP's picture you will notice 1 of the posts for the float bowl pin is totally eaten away, is this fixable?
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Ahh, that photo didn't come up the first time.   There is someone here (JimF,  I think) that can do micro-welding ?   

Not sure if it would be easier just to find a new carb rack, but they can be fixed.
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@ Green I think Jim needs something to work with. After looking closer at those carbs I would be looking for another bank and use those for parts.

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yep, honetly I dont see anyone bringing these carbs back to life. Already in the marker for a new rack of carbs. Checking out the oil and possibly dropping the oil pan. Ill let you guys know what i come up with
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It can be done but at what price? You see racks come up here all the time it won't take to long. If you see a set ask for pics. with the bowl off. Most of the guys here will give you a good deal. Look up there profile to see how long they have been a member the longer the better Be carefull on e-bay.

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I'm not familiar with the F model, what carbs does he need? 75SS - there is a model number on the carbs. 
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I am not able to locate a model number.. I can post detailed pictures if you'd like?
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