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cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« on: February 28, 2012, 05:00:43 AM »
Came across this one-page article in the latest issue of Cycle World.  Looks very nice I thought, and different.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 09:00:48 AM »
I think that motorcycle is so stupid.

I am sorry if that hurts your feelings. But who wants a bike that you can't get to the carbs on either side because the hot exhausts are blocking access?
Just so the muffler can exit the a$$ end?

They have done everything they can to try to make this like a modern sport bike
but it just ruined the practical stock bike design in every way.
All the young generation just has to have the exhaust going out the a$$ end of the bike no matter what it takes, even if they have to put the exhausts next to the carbs and wrap them. They have tried to make the gas tank and frame fit like a sport bike and for what??

 The engine is hard to work on, the carbs are hard to get to. (like most sport bikes)
The original stock bike was MUCH better than what they ended up with.
The original was easy to work on, had a center stand and side stand,electric and manual start, tool kit that you did not need tools to get to.
Easy to work on. No computer needed. No computer to go bad.

A good CAFE bike is supposed to be simpler and very functional ,that was the point.
A modern sport bike is a nightmare to work on. The frame is wrapped all around the engine, you have to take the gas tank off to get to the carbs.
On a modern sport bike the frame is aluminum so it has to be more massive to be strong enough, then you can't get to many parts to work on it.
Many modern sport bikes have fairings to hide the cooling system components like the radiators and hoses.

All those aluminum frames get easily damaged in a minor accident and sure they recycle easily and are cheap to ship but you sure will not see them around in 33 years from now.

Repairing the aluminum frame is an expensive nightmare because you need expensive TIG welding machines and skilled welders. Then you have the problem of welding over anodizing which needs to be removed on already paper thin material. Then the strength of the aluminum is only 64% strength of the parent material after welding.

See what I mean?

Remember a expensive Ducati does not come with a cheap aluminum frame.

If you want a sport bike just buy one.
But at least get one with a decent steel frame.

If you get a Vmax do NOT get the cheap new one with the aluminum frame .
No get the older one with a nice steel frame for less money.

This makes more sense to me as a cafe CB750.

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cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 09:21:57 AM »
Oh no, not this bike again lol ....

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 09:38:58 AM »
Are we going backwards people???

605 lbs weight WET for old version steel frame.
694 lbs weight WET for new version aluminum frame.

Remember the steel frame is 9 times stronger than the aluminum frame.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 09:59:02 AM »
Dressed VMax, same steel frame - 800lbs



I just hadta!  :P
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 11:29:37 AM »

Remember the steel frame is 9 times stronger than the aluminum frame.


While i generally dont try to get into it with you as you seem to have alot of time on your hands to be grumpy on the interwebs and creep old threads and such but lets just keep it to random crazy opinions then facts......ok?

Where the hell did you get that info?
And also there is other crap that went onto that bike to make up the 90lbs...

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 11:39:51 AM »
Are we going backwards people???

605 lbs weight WET for old version steel frame.
694 lbs weight WET for new version aluminum frame.

Remember the steel frame is 9 times stronger than the aluminum frame.



I like the almost 200 hp the new one makes :) When I am hanging on for dear life and screaming like a grown man does in a masculine way I dont really notice the 89 lbs differnce from the new one. Getting it out of the garage is a PIA though..

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 03:54:34 PM »
Thing is ugly, thats not an opinion its just a fact. The form is atrocious and the function is even worse. That is not directed at you, and i appreciate seeing stuff i haven't seen.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 09:39:29 PM »
 I am not believing the steel frame being 9 times stronger. Alum can go back to full strength wioth heat treating, its how it got there in the first place...
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 09:58:56 PM »
I like craftsmanship,creativity,the out of the box thinking that the bike exhibits. I am 55 years old and I think its cool as heck. There are elements that I love and some that are not a favorite but as a whole its a hell of a lot better than the bolt on bars, seat and tank "Ton Up Boy" catalog cafe racer.
That's what it seems that every other CB750 has been turned into lately. I just hope it lasts longer than the chopper trend did. at least till I get my CCR done.
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 09:32:07 AM »
 Its called exploring the boundaries..or moving things along.. you dont have to like it but it does help technology/styling move forward. Some do it for the challenge or stimulation.

One think to maybe think about.. do you think he who can build this..would feel much accomplishment out of building a regular cafe racer ?

 I dont really like it but I think what Goldammer and others did swung the custom bike pendulum, back to more rideable bikes...
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 11:15:25 AM »
Did anyone really read that full first reply? good lord...
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 05:36:00 AM »
Did anyone really read that full first reply? good lord...

Yes, I read it.  I respect that others will have differing opinions, but I do think some of those comments seem to "deviate" quite a bit from the original topic.  I did want to solicit some opinion, not start "another oil thread".  Perhaps I should post the rest of the article, which explains some of the design and build features.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 06:39:16 AM »
Thanks for that post HNR/Bob, I enjoy looking at all sorts of bikes & this bike sure is "different" looking, kind of a CB meets monster style, certainly a lot of thought & custom engineering went into it.  Guess it's one of those we see at bike shows & marvel a bit at it, but wouldn't want one.  I think 754 nailed it with his comment about "exploring the boundaries.."
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 08:10:53 AM »
Weird looking? Check.

Questionable functionality? Check.

Immaculately crafted, flawlessly executed, and painted in a knockout combination? Check, check & check.

I like it! Maybe not all of it together, but almost every aspect of the bike rewards closer examination.

Thanks for posting :)

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 08:15:57 AM »
 I only know one guy from here that got his custom bike into Cycle World, its not that easy to accomplish...

 I dont really like it but I still look a them and often get something from it I could use...
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 11:09:03 PM »
Did anyone really read that full first reply? good lord...
Yes, I did.
Very "interesting" fellow is this forums lucky.
It appears that most of us are of the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" or the "just ignore him" frame of mind.
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2012, 01:38:58 AM »
Not this thing again, i remember being nowhere near as brutal with my comments on that thing , then the bikes builder turned up here and carried on like a cheap watch, it was apparent he didn't think everyone was entitled to an opinion.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 03:46:40 AM »
I think that motorcycle is so stupid.

I am sorry if that hurts your feelings. But who wants a bike that you can't get to the carbs on either side because the hot exhausts are blocking access?
Just so the muffler can exit the a$$ end?

They have done everything they can to try to make this like a modern sport bike
but it just ruined the practical stock bike design in every way.
All the young generation just has to have the exhaust going out the a$$ end of the bike no matter what it takes, even if they have to put the exhausts next to the carbs and wrap them. They have tried to make the gas tank and frame fit like a sport bike and for what??

 The engine is hard to work on, the carbs are hard to get to. (like most sport bikes)

A good CAFE bike is supposed to be simpler and very functional ,that was the point.
A modern sport bike is a nightmare to work on. The frame is wrapped all around the engine, you have to take the gas tank off to get to the carbs.
On a modern sport bike the frame is aluminum so it has to be more massive to be strong enough, then you can't get to many parts to work on it.
Many modern sport bikes have fairings to hide the cooling system components like the radiators and hoses.

All those aluminum frames get easily damaged in a minor accident and sure they recycle easily and are cheap to ship but you sure will not see them around in 33 years from now.

Repairing the aluminum frame is an expensive nightmare because you need expensive TIG welding machines and skilled welders. Then you have the problem of welding over anodizing which needs to be removed on already paper thin material. Then the strength of the aluminum is only 64% strength of the parent material after welding.

I can't let this one go.  Rants are fine and I've suffered through many silently, and, as now, not so much.  First of all this bike is not stupid..  It is the result of a hell of a lot of work, done mostly by some shorties, which in itself is quite a story.  How many of us build our own frames?  Figure out a way to use the motor as part of the frame, just as was done on the CBX?  Good Lord, most of us have problems getting a carburetor clean.

Can't you just look at the bike, read the article of the build, and appreciate the effort?  You are worried that if the bike is wrecked then the aluminum frame is going to be trash?  What?   There aren't a dozen guys on this forum that could straighten out a bent steel frame.  Not to mention all of the other stuff that would be trash in an accident sufficiently violent to bend a frame.

Couple things here about the carb comment.  It is harder to get to some of these  carbs on/off new bikes, try a Gold Wing.  But I rue the day I have to take mine off again.  Removing a carburetor from a Honda inline four is a legendary PIA.  And this bike only has one.

I don't care for way the pipes come across the middle of the bike, but then I didn't like that on the Scrambler.  Wouldn't do that myself, but doesn't mean I don't envy the ingenuity involved in what these girls did.

The point here is this...slow down the hate; that is what's stupid.  Enjoy the engineering and buy, or build, what you want.  And I will be honest--I do not care if this hurts your feelings.
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2012, 05:07:02 AM »
I do think it would get more interest at the ice cream shop than my stocker. Waaay beyond what I could ever piece together.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 01:42:56 PM »
I think the exhaust is an over-complicated mess and the fuel tank is hideous.  Sure it takes skill in designing and building bikes like this but there is also skill involved in making it look good.  This one fails in that department.

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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 01:59:59 PM »
That's a good point, and it does takes some chops to make things look right.  I don't care much of the frame being on the outside of the tank either.
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Re: cafe shown in April 2012 Cycle World
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2012, 03:52:27 PM »
I think the exhaust is an over-complicated mess and the fuel tank is hideous.  Sure it takes skill in designing and building bikes like this but there is also skill involved in making it look good.  This one fails in that department.

Pretty much this.

Do I have the skills to build this bike? no

If I did, is this what it would look like? no

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 11:35:44 AM »
I am not believing the steel frame being 9 times stronger. Alum can go back to full strength wioth heat treating, its how it got there in the first place...

When is the last time you saw a business that heat treats
aluminum motorcycle frames, that have had welding repairs???

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 11:50:28 AM »


as far as the steel vs. aluminum it's no doubt that pound for pound steel is stronger but you don't see frames built in steel and aluminum out of the same tube dimensions.  Beef up the aluminum frame members and you can get similar strength.
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