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Offline BeSeeingYou

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Re: Not Happy Hondaman
« Reply #125 on: March 05, 2012, 10:48:06 PM »
And just because Hondaman handled himself with respect and dignity, does not mean he wasn't offended.
And please, stop talking as if you know any better what Hondaman wants or thinks. 

sorry Retro...I should have left you to grab this low hanging fruit ...but the prankster in me couldn't resist. ;D

Maybe we should all take a cue from Hondaman.  If he showed no sign of offense in his response  to the OP's poor way of handling the issue in the original post  why would anyone else?  Let it go.

If I understand the connection you are making, it should be clear to a one-eyed bat that if we don't know what a person is thinking, then we shouldn't speak as if we do. This was Heffay's statement as quoted. However, I may completely have missed your point.

The criteria offered by some for defense of a fellow member is whether that member is offended, in addition to whether that member can stick up for him or herself. Therefore, I can only assume that many members would not stick up for a fellow member unless that member explicitly stated that he or she were offended or hurt -- regardless of the severity of the slight to the member or community at large.

That said, watch this cool move: Now that I've gotten in my last thoughts on the subject, I'll attempt to close the discussion by instructing everyone else to "let it go." Just for fun, I'll leave an open question, and I'll take a parting shot. That way my gratuitous jab will either be the last comment on the subject, or the person receiving the shot -- if he responds -- will seem to be the one who cannot let go. But I only do this because I want people to let it go.

Now, let it go. People who don't let it go are pot-stirrers. You can have no reason to disagree with me.

No, you got it right in the first paragraph.  After that ...kind of lost me in the weeds.  Sometimes a cigar IS just a cigar. ;D ;)

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Re: Not Happy Hondaman
« Reply #126 on: March 05, 2012, 11:02:30 PM »

And just because Hondaman handled himself with respect and dignity, does not mean he wasn't offended.

 And please, stop talking as if you know any better what Hondaman wants or thinks. 

sorry Retro...I should have left you to grab this low hanging fruit ...but the prankster in me couldn't resist. ;D


What? Heffy's a "low hanging fruit"? Harsh!  :o

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Re: Not Happy Hondaman
« Reply #127 on: March 05, 2012, 11:24:54 PM »

And just because Hondaman handled himself with respect and dignity, does not mean he wasn't offended.

 And please, stop talking as if you know any better what Hondaman wants or thinks. 

sorry Retro...I should have left you to grab this low hanging fruit ...but the prankster in me couldn't resist. ;D


What? Heffy's a "low hanging fruit"? Harsh!  :o



No....the easy joke is the fruit....or is the fruit the easy joke? ;D
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2012, 03:49:09 AM »
Firstly, I unreservedly apologise to you, Hondaman. if I offended you. From your practical, to the point answer, I don't got the sense that you were offended.
Second , I apologise to all those forum members who were offended. I can see that what I wrote could be construed playing the man, not the problem.
I have changed the name of this thread to "Rocker Shaft Trouble"
I am overwhelmed by the respose; half called into question my etiquette, half addressed the technical issue at hand. To those offended by my etiquette, again, sorry.
Back to the problem at hand: I accept that it probably was not the omission of the 5mm bolts since it seems many members run their bikes with these omitted. As the inside of the cam towers and the ends of the shaft show no sign of scoring/ damage, I am still at a loss to the cause of the waist wear especially as the 6mm centre bolt was unscathed.
To those who suggest that the extra depth in the o-ring recess in the cylinder oil conduit was a factor, I put in a suitable size washer to reduce this space to be the same as his brother.
I assembled these parts with due care , pre- oiling them, so lack of lubrication does not ring true, especially as i ran the motor for 30-40 seconds only.
The god news is,as observed else where, the engines are very tough. I am rebuilding it with the damaged shaft, but withe 5mm bolts in situ as there is no measurable wear on the rocker shafts where the rockers rock or in the inside of the rockers themselves. Aside from that the only real cost apart from my effort, was for a new cam cover gasket,
I must say that, without trying to court controversy, This forum proved itself robust enough to be able to deal with unpopular positions and diverse opinions. Just as it should be.
Finally, Got a personal message from someone called Yaan who asked me not to give up on the forum even though i was copping some flak as there were many who were sincere in getting to the route of the problem. That touched me.
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2012, 04:22:31 AM »
We're all here to help you as best we can mate, and it's a credit to you for having the balls to be upfront.

If I can use RC Jrs words, he said that this site is the centre of the universe when it comes to knowledge about these machines.

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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2012, 04:41:45 AM »
We're all here to help you as best we can mate, and it's a credit to you for having the balls to be upfront.

If I can use RC Jrs words, he said that this site is the centre of the universe when it comes to knowledge about these machines.

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+1. Mick said it well.  :)
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2012, 06:17:52 AM »
+1 Groover  ;) on changing the title...we'll combine our skill's to help you  :). What ever happened to Kens clothes? on you're Avatar. after all the harsh winds lately you may want to give him a bit more "cover".
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2012, 06:27:06 AM »
+1 Groover  ;) on changing the title...we'll combine our skill's to help you  :). What ever happened to Kens clothes? on you're Avatar. after all the harsh winds lately you may want to give him a bit more "cover".
  Barbie got HOT and went a little crazy on him one night.  Hold off hopefully on putting that back together though,still has to be a reason that problem occured. Glad the cam and everthing else made it out alive.

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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2012, 06:32:55 AM »
New thread title is great... I apologize to you to, groover, if I offended you.

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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2012, 06:48:56 AM »
Come on, guys, group hug and somebody start singing Kumbaya ;D ;D
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2012, 06:50:04 AM »
Sounds like things are getting a little mushy--  ;D  Best Cry Ever

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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2012, 09:40:04 AM »
Bite me. I have been wrong, and I apologize for it, especially to you, Groover. Whatever has transpired, I have made much, much too much of it. I hope the bile that has bounced around does not discourage you from being a member here. I'm normally better than this, except -- as Jerry notes -- when we're discussing which brand of oil to use. ;-)

In my defense, if there is to be any, I have had a horrible, horrible go of things lately. I'll leave my posts up because I don't think it right to hide what I've said.

I now return you to the wasp waist freakazoid rocker shaft discussion.
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #137 on: March 06, 2012, 12:15:10 PM »
Groover: Was the rocker shaft the only damage that you found in your engine? I'm asking because that doesn't look serious enough to cause all the noise that you said it was making.
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #138 on: March 06, 2012, 12:24:14 PM »
Burma, I removed mine because others voiced it would be nice to not have all the bickering and just the tech.  I offered to remove and said I would if no one protested.  I left my posts for a night, no one protested so I took that to mean others would like them removed, wasn't trying to hide anything... As much as I was quoted, they're still there ;)
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #139 on: March 06, 2012, 01:16:02 PM »
Ahhh, Heffay, I didn't mean at all that you were hiding your posts.  You made it clear why you were deleting yours. I was just saying why folks would have to step over mine.

I'd apologize, but I'm fresh out of apologies today. ;-)
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #140 on: March 06, 2012, 02:10:07 PM »
Back to the task at hand . Was the washer that you used to bring the depth of the recess up on the same side as the damaged shaft ? Did you have all 4 o rings in place between the head and the rocker/cam bearing assemblies ?
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #141 on: March 06, 2012, 10:49:58 PM »
Not wanting to upset the hand holding Kumbaya choral event that this thread had now "U Turned" into, but I wouldn't use that rocker shaft in a fit mate.

Regardless of how confidant you are that just re-installing the 5mm screws will fix it, I reckon you've got an oiling issue, and it aint over.

Mick's generously offered you a better, undamaged shaft and that's a good start, but you need to ensure that you've got oil coming out of all the orifices before you reinstall your engine, or it'll be coming out again real soon. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: Rocker Shaft Trouble
« Reply #142 on: March 07, 2012, 03:48:00 AM »
There is a reason Honda put 5mm bolts in the rocker pivot shafts and it is this:


 When I started up my newly rebuilt motor it sounded like four cats simultaneously fornicating and fighting.
I shut it down and drained some oil only to find it impregnated with fine iron filings (and not-so-fine ones in the filter housing and the sump).
Engine out of the frame, stripped top and bottom revealed the 1 and 2 intake rocker shaft had been floating so much either side of the waist had been rubbing on the central hold down bolt, hence noise, hence metal filings, hence shiny bits in the picture,
Hondaman, have you actually run a motor without the 5mm bolts holding the rocker shaft, as per your recommendation in your book? Forgive me, but I am a little pissed off right now. Groover.

If my engine was riddled with metal and iron filings, i would not be putting that shaft back in and thinking i was lucky to get away with just having to replace the rocker gasket,
I think it would be wise to strip , wash out and recheck everything in there,
once you have metal circulating around the engine even the best flush through aint going to gaurantee further engine wear , there will be bits everywhere by now as you have seen when you drained off some oil
Good luck with it Groover, it can be very frustrating time consuming and expensive, but its worth getting right
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