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76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« on: March 16, 2012, 12:14:24 pm »
So I just picked up a 76 CB550F that "runs" for $900.  I thought it wasnt a bad deal, not a steal by any means, but not bad.  PO did a lot of things to it that I wouldnt do, but to each his own.  There is very little rust, and it starts right up, but it doesnt run right, cylinder 4 misfires.  I am gonna do full tune up on it to get it running tip top this summer, then over the winter, as money allows, Im gonna tear it down and rebuild it as a cafe racer.  I got plans, big plans!

New to this forum, but not to bikes, this is my 7th i think.  Love these old bikes, Im sure i will have questions, and from what I've seen so far, everyone on here is more than happy to help.  Here is how she sits right now.


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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 12:30:22 pm »
Congrats & welcome, post your progress as it comes along, we love pictures!  Oh, there's a place somewhere for that K/Q seat...but I'm sure you have plans :)
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 05:56:13 am »
It was so nice yesterday that i decided to go ahead and check/set the valve clearances.  I got all done, and was tightening the last tappet cover and... snap.  I broke the threads right off the cover.  Thankfully the broken threads came right out, but now I need one tappet cover.  Anybody got an extra one lying around???

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 06:01:03 am »
Hello mighty I might have one laying around or can take off a engine I have that sitting around. I see you are also not too far away from me..

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 10:07:04 am »
No, no too far, about 2-3 hours or so.  Let me know if you have one, and how much you want for it.

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 10:33:11 am »
Will just give it to you...PM your address and will send it out to you..

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 11:07:36 am »
PM sent!

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 07:38:19 pm »
Welcome mighty! With your build, make sure you dont change the seat! You may not realize it now, but you will get all the looks!
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 04:11:00 am »
haha, oh I know I will!

That thing is the first to go, followed quickly (hopefully) by that exhaust.

Just a little update, took off the carbs last night and fully cleaned them, man they were nasty.  I was surprised that it started up and idled as well as it did.  I think Im gonna try smoothing out the intake runners before I put the carbs back on.  Anyone else done this?  Any tricks to make it easier?

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 05:12:09 pm »
somethings missing...

Got the carbs clean, gonna smooth out the insides of the intake runners and then reassemble.


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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 07:28:14 pm »
Are you asking if somethings missing? Boots from the engine manifold to the carbs? Or the carbs themself?
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 04:13:44 am »
No, I know whats missing, it was kind of a joke, a poor one at that I will admit. 

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 10:29:45 am »
HA that was funny. Thought you were serious
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2012, 04:13:33 am »
So before I cleaned the carbs, my number 4 cylinder was misfiring, no much so that I could touch the pipes after it had been running for a few minutes.  I cleaned they carbs (that one was a mess) and reinstalled last night.  I didnt have a chance to sync them yet, but its still misfiring on cylinder 4.  So far i've replaced the plugs, adjusted the valves (they sound much better now), cleaned the carbs, and smoothed out the inside of the intake runners.  I still have to change out the points/condensers, and set the timing.  Will this fix my misfire?  This is what the plug looked like after a quick trip around the block last night (i checked, it has good spark)


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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2012, 07:44:25 am »
Is it mis-firing through the whole rpm range?
If it's worth doing at all it's worth over-doing.
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2012, 08:14:24 am »
Cant tell, it starts right up, seems like it idles fine but I can actually grab the header, while the others are flesh burning hot.  After my ride around the block, i didnt want to touch it so i poured a bit of water on cylinder 3 header pipe, and it sizzled right off, on cylinder 4, the water just ran down it, so i am assuming its missing quite a bit, but not completely.  At least i think.

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2012, 09:18:29 am »
HMM, is the spark plug cap on tight? May want to trim the spark plug wire and reattach the cap then try...
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2012, 10:24:43 am »
If i pull the plug and attach it to the cap and try to start it, I get really good spark, so I dont think there's any issue with the plug/wire.

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2012, 10:59:47 am »
Is there any fuel getting to the number four carb?  Have you checked compression?  Was the #4 plug wet or dry when you pulled it?  It sounds like that carb isn't getting gas or isn't getting it to the cylinder properly.  I know you cleaned the carbs, when you did, did you break the rack apart and clean the fuel tees? Did you at least do a bench synch?
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2012, 11:21:15 am »
Didnt check compression, the plug was dry when i pulled it. I bench synched them, but I didnt check the fuel tees.  If i unscrew the float bowl plug for that carb and gas comes out, its safe to assume that carb is getting fuel and the lines arent plugged right?

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 12:39:48 pm »
the bowls are getting gas, and i just replaced the points and condensers.  Working on getting the timing set correctly.  Swapped the plug wires from 1 and 4.  Cylinder 1 ran fine with #4 wire, and cylinder 4 still missed with #1 wire.

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2012, 12:52:03 pm »
Only need three things to make these engines run...compression, spark, and gas.  If you've got good spark, you've either got plugged jets in your carbs still, or low compression, possibly due to worn rings, or valves not seating.  I'd start with going through that #4 carb again.

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2012, 12:58:46 pm »
Possibly a leak in the intake boot?
If it's worth doing at all it's worth over-doing.
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 05:47:17 am »
I am praying that its not a compression issue, but I think my worst fears might become reality.  Im gonna pull the carbs again and double check #4, making sure everything is clear.  Then maybe Ill get a compression tester (harbor freight had them for $20 this past weekend).  If its bad compression, does that mean the piston ring is shot?  I've never dealt with a problem like that before.  Can that be fixed without removing the engine from the frame?

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 10:03:55 am »
Low compression is ring/piston/bore wear or valve wear. Now you can pat yourself on the back for getting a 550 and not a 750 because you can do top end work on a 550 with the engine in-frame.
Sounds like you're on the case; it WILL reward you soon!
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 04:35:19 am »
So after quite a bit of work, it seems like she is about an hour or two of tuning away from running as well as I can get it to. I replaced the points and condensers, reset the timing, adjusted the valves, cleaned, cleaned, and re-cleaned every crevice of the carbs, ditched the airbox for pods (I know, I know, but i like them) went up to a 110 main jet, and have the pilot screw turned 3/4 out.  Its pretty close, need to sync the carbs and get the screws set just right and I will be totally happy!  Now I can concentrate on getting rid of that ugly seat!!!

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 04:52:38 am »
Quick pic, and its amazing how much better those pipes look after they met Mr. Chopsaw!!


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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2012, 02:14:44 pm »
Lookin' good.  Did you change your slow jets?  I went from the stock 38s to 40s when I installed pods on my '75 CB550K, am still fiddling with the air screw settings; currently set at 1.5 turns.  Did you adjust the float height? 

Your misfiring cylinder reminds me of a problem I encounter fairly regularly.  The float valves seem to want to stick in my carbs ('77 PD46A carbs on my '75 motor; who knows how they got there).  I have installed new float valves, polished the seats . . . they still stick.  This causes the bowl to overflow, and no fuel gets through to the cylinder.  Sometimes this is intermittent, as in one cylinder "misfiring", failing to run, as you are experiencing.  Sitting at idle seems to bring it on, as does leaving the bike on the side stand rather than the center stand.  The roadside remedy for this is to pull over someplace where you can set the bike on its center stand, and determine which cylinder/carb is not firing (touch the headers CAREFULLY, and watch your overflow lines for leaking fuel).  Close the petcock and drain that carb's bowl (mind the gas fumes; do this in the open air), close the drain and reopen the petcock, then watch the overflow tube.  If it pees gas, you're still stuck.  If it doesn't pee, start 'er up and see if you have gotten your cylinder back. 

At first I thought this might be related to possible sagging of the carbs -- with no airbox in place, they are supported by the rubber intakes and the cables only.  I make a carb support out of a couple of long zip ties, looped through the upper rear carb brackets, then over the frame.  You might consider trying this, if only to take the strain off your rubber intake boots.

Will be following your build -- good luck!
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2012, 05:05:41 am »
I think (at least i hope) my misfire is a thing of the past.  I had it sitting at idle for about 5 minutes or so the other day, fiddling with the screws and all 4 headers were hot.  I did notice though, after i shut it off, about 5 minutes later, a little bit of gas pissed out of the overflow tube, just saw it out of the corner of my eye, not sure which carb it came from.  I had it on the center stand.  I will have to keep an eye on it.

I didnt change the slow jets yet.  I kept going back and forth whether i should or shouldn't, I decided not to yet, and just adjust the screws and see if i can get where i need to be.  Once i get it out on the road i may change my mind.  I kept the stock float height too.

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2012, 04:42:24 am »
Well, got the carbs synced last night, if you EVER have to do it, get that tool, I dont have one and after last night, I will be buying one.  Seems like 1 1/2 turns out with the pilot screws gives me the smoothest idle, which surprised me.  Took it out for a 5 minute ride and noticed a couple things.  First, the throttle sucks, I keep twisting it and it seems like i never get to full throttle.  My last bike was a '09 triumph bonneville so maybe I'm a bit spoiled from that.  Also, it seems that these bike are really loud, or at least mine it.  My exhaust is rather loud, and Im not that happy with it, but that will change eventually, but besides that, it seems like the engine is rather loud as well.  Is that normal or is there something wrong with my bike?

But man, it was a good feeling getting out for a quick trip around the block, cant wait to really get rocking on this project!

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2012, 11:38:45 am »
Well, got the carbs synced last night, if you EVER have to do it, get that tool, I dont have one and after last night, I will be buying one. 

What tool are you talking about?  I've used a trusty 8mm crescent wrench that I bent at a 90 degree angle.  Then you can stick a flathead through the open end, hold the adjustment where it needs to be and tighten the lock nut. 
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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2012, 01:01:53 pm »
Well that would work too, I used just a straight cresent wrench and it was a huge pain.

I was talking about this tool though: http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=4532

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Re: 76 CB550F - The "as money allows" build thread
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2012, 04:41:46 am »
Well, its a slow go, but I am making progress in baby steps.  Just replaced the fork oil, the old stuff was black, and man does it stink.  I was going to put small spacers on top of the springs to cut down on the sag of the stock springs, but the ones I made were like 1/32 too large, so I said the hell with it.  I will just get progressive springs later down the road.

I also decided to tackle the seat.  The big, king/queen seat i have i just hated, and spending over $100 for a seat that I will probably just get rid of when i take this bike from a simple rider to a full on cafe in the next year just doesnt seem like a good use of money.  So, 3 hours, $30, and a good bread knife later, here is what I ended up with.  Its not professional by any means, but it works, and its better then that huge thing.  Now I just need to figure out my hard starting issue.  Im thinking its float height, could I be right??