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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2012, 03:36:42 AM »
The plug caps serve a totally different function.  But, while the spark channel is active, the resistors reduce the peak current and elongate the spark event through conservation of energy.  Without the resistors little restraint of the spark current occurs, the event is intense but over in a very very short period of time.    With resistors, the event occurs at the same voltage, but the current drain is slowed by the resistance to flow and the event duration is extended.

 

The resistance reduces the voltage available at the gap so the arc will reach the point where there is insufficient voltage to jump the gap sooner, not later.

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2012, 06:13:13 AM »
I have been running the ACCENT electronic ignition with 5 ohm coils for the last month on my 500/4 and it is fantastic. More power and so easy to install, I did the tappets,cam chain and plugs before installing and now it idles perfectly on 1000 rpm, no primary chain rattle.

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2012, 06:35:28 AM »
Just to give some info,
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He has probably forgotten more info about the CBs than most of us have on board..
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2012, 10:18:34 AM »
The plug caps serve a totally different function.  But, while the spark channel is active, the resistors reduce the peak current and elongate the spark event through conservation of energy.  Without the resistors little restraint of the spark current occurs, the event is intense but over in a very very short period of time.    With resistors, the event occurs at the same voltage, but the current drain is slowed by the resistance to flow and the event duration is extended.

 

The resistance reduces the voltage available at the gap so the arc will reach the point where there is insufficient voltage to jump the gap sooner, not later.

I guess we continue to disagree.  The reader will have to form their own decision as to which of us is correct. 

Resistors only reduce voltage when there is current flowing though them.  Until the voltage rises enough to from the plasma channel across the spark gap, the resistors do nothing to reduce the voltage as there isn't any current flowing through them.  They pass potential unrestrained.   After the spark is formed, THEN current flows in the secondary circuit of the coil.  The resistors limit the peak current and delay the current flow, thereby extending the spark event.

This is why the spark gap determines the voltage requirements at the plug.  And why flashy bench contrived arc tricks don't translate to actual spark benefits in the motor unless the spark gaps are also increased.  The coil need only supply enough voltage potential to initiate the plasma conducting channel across the spark gap, as current doesn't flow in the coil secondary until that occurs.   Once the plasma channel is formed, less voltage is required to maintain spark channel rather than form it.

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2012, 10:22:46 AM »
I'm running 5ohm Dyna coils and Dyna ignition on my '74 550. All works very well for me.

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2012, 11:30:32 AM »
If you're posting to this thread about your Dyna... please make sure to post if it is the S model or 2000... a 2000 can not be run without the coils, I believe.  The S can be run with stock coils, at least on the 350 and 400.
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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2012, 03:01:12 PM »

don't forget fail at the most inopportune time and strand you somewhere... at least points can be adjusted when they "fail", which is typically just "out of adjustment"

i'm gonna try hondaman's when i get the dough

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7.5) Some people believe that every points failure can be fixed out on the road using chewing gum, a pocket knife, or whatever else is available.

Maybe not gum, but they can be replaced on the side of the road with stuff that fits in your pocket.  A spare set of points should be on any long distance rider's list of stuff to take along.

I'm indifferent.  I've set up dozens of bikes with Dyna S ignition, and they run great.  I've also used points a lot, and they work great too.  My bike has points and will probably stay that way for awhile.

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2012, 03:26:19 PM »
I am running a Dyna-S with Dyna 3 OHM coils on my 78 750 SS I added Hondamans  1 OHM resistor and some Iridium plugs put on about 10,00 miles and haven't had to touch the ignition system even the plugs still look good.

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2012, 03:41:22 PM »
my dyna S failed... went back to points, all is right in the world again.


 I just did the same thing brother after that Dyna that was less than a year old, began to act up and stranded me with an expensive towing bill!  I did leave the Dyna coils in and the bike runs great now.
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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2012, 03:50:08 PM »
I'm just glad I got in on the Dyna-S before the apparent quality issues that started cropping up in the last few years.  I've had the one that's currently in my 750 for almost ten years.  It started out its life in my 400F.  And the one in my 550K is about 5 years old. 

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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2012, 04:23:58 PM »
 Yeah Gordon, go ahead and rub it in our faces. Too bad they don't make them like they used to.

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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2012, 04:27:15 PM »
Yeah Gordon, go ahead and rub it in our faces. Too bad they don't make them like they used to.

You rub quality craftsmanship in the face of every other motorcyclist on the road every time you take your sohc4 out for a ride. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2012, 06:02:11 PM »
The plug caps serve a totally different function.  But, while the spark channel is active, the resistors reduce the peak current and elongate the spark event through conservation of energy.  Without the resistors little restraint of the spark current occurs, the event is intense but over in a very very short period of time.    With resistors, the event occurs at the same voltage, but the current drain is slowed by the resistance to flow and the event duration is extended.

 

The resistance reduces the voltage available at the gap so the arc will reach the point where there is insufficient voltage to jump the gap sooner, not later.

I guess we continue to disagree.  The reader will have to form their own decision as to which of us is correct.

Resistors only reduce voltage when there is current flowing though them.  Until the voltage rises enough to from the plasma channel across the spark gap, the resistors do nothing to reduce the voltage as there isn't any current flowing through them.  They pass potential unrestrained.   After the spark is formed, THEN current flows in the secondary circuit of the coil.  The resistors limit the peak current and delay the current flow, thereby extending the spark event.

This is why the spark gap determines the voltage requirements at the plug.  And why flashy bench contrived arc tricks don't translate to actual spark benefits in the motor unless the spark gaps are also increased.  The coil need only supply enough voltage potential to initiate the plasma conducting channel across the spark gap, as current doesn't flow in the coil secondary until that occurs.   Once the plasma channel is formed, less voltage is required to maintain spark channel rather than form it.

Of course the resistance has no effect until the arc occurs and there is current flowing. Of course the voltage required to sustain the arc is less than that required to jump the gap in the first place. That is why the resistance will cause the arc to extinguish sooner because the voltage available will be less, but not enough to reestablish the arc.
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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »
I think everyone has enough information on the various options. Maybe this thread should stop now. 
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2012, 02:53:36 PM »
I really do not care whether the tread continues, but find it offensive that it should be silenced.

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2012, 04:15:09 PM »
Yeah Gordon, go ahead and rub it in our faces. Too bad they don't make them like they used to.

You rub quality craftsmanship in the face of every other motorcyclist on the road every time you take your sohc4 out for a ride. ;)

  I love that Gordon, so true. Hmm... I can see your quote on a t shirt...

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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2012, 04:26:13 AM »
Yep, I can just imagine all those jealous BMW and MV Agusta riders turning green with envy every time an old Honda rattles past............  ;D
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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2012, 05:52:05 AM »
Yep, I can just imagine all those jealous BMW and MV Agusta riders turning green with envy every time an old Honda rattles past............  ;D
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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2012, 10:38:58 PM »
S**t happens, to everyone and everything.

When S**t does happen service is key to a good relationship.

Dyna Service sucks.

Just an observation.

How true. Dyna Service really sucks.....now in addition to all the problems with their products.  Will never buy anything they make, and just to think I used to be their biggest fan....

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2012, 08:16:57 AM »
836 project bike not on the road yet.

So I have Dyna 'S' and 3ohm coils and hondamans resistor pack and iridium 5kohm resistor plugs and copper dyna leads and have just removed the 5kohm resistors from my NGK plug caps. (yes I will put something in their place!)

Any comments, advice from the experts is most welcome.

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Re: Anyone running dyna ignition and dyna coils on their cb..?
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2012, 12:51:38 AM »
836 project bike not on the road yet.

So I have Dyna 'S' and 3ohm coils and hondamans resistor pack and iridium 5kohm resistor plugs and copper dyna leads and have just removed the 5kohm resistors from my NGK plug caps. (yes I will put something in their place!)

Any comments, advice from the experts is most welcome.

You better put your points back in mate, apparently that Dyna stuff is no good nowadays and their customer service is just awful. Send it to me and I'll dispose of it thoughtfully.............  ;) 
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2012, 01:12:23 AM »
how come pamcopetes avatar is gone and it says guest now?

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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2012, 01:56:17 AM »
looks like hes left the forum,for his own reasons i guess?thats a shame his input was always good.

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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2012, 02:05:39 AM »
Being old fashioned Terry, I'm going to run it initially with points then swop over to the Dyna 'S'.  ;D

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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2012, 02:34:15 AM »
Being old fashioned Terry, I'm going to run it initially with points then swop over to the Dyna 'S'.  ;D


Well mate, from what I've read from a couple of disgruntled ex-Dyna owners here you're making a huge mistake, so don't blame me when you're sitting on the side of the road with a dead bike and Dyna's customer service lady is sounding like Regan from "The Exorcist"! ;D
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