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Offline funkdr5

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Head bolt thread repair
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:30:28 PM »
I have some head bolts threads that are boogered. Anyone ever use the thread repair kits for these?  Can they hold torque?

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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 06:02:02 PM »
If the bolts are messed up, get new bolts.
 If the holes they thread into are messed up, get helicoils.
 Helicoils are stronger than the original material.
If you mean studs, get new studs, they are rolled thread so cutting on them ill weaken them
The 'thread repair' epoxy is a waste of time and money
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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 06:03:44 PM »
Get new bolts, seems a no brainer.
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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2012, 06:53:00 PM »
If the bolts are messed up, get new bolts.
 If the holes they thread into are messed up, get helicoils.
 Helicoils are stronger than the original material.
If you mean studs, get new studs, they are rolled thread so cutting on them ill weaken them
The 'thread repair' epoxy is a waste of time and money
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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 02:55:01 AM »
The helicoils is what I meant, thanks. The studs are fine it's the threads in the engine. I'll try these. I was going to order new studs for good measure but they are @ $6.50 each at bike bandit. Anyone know a better place to order these ?  82cb650

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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2012, 01:07:54 PM »
NEVER EVER use Loctite on Helicoils.
 Who ever told you to do that doesn't understand how they work.  ::)
 The only thing Loctite will do is 'glue bolt to insert
 If it isn't done properly, it's a common 'bodge' to get 'tech' out of trouble (instead of doing it right)
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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2012, 06:46:05 PM »
Thanks guys. It is indeed the threads in the block I am referring to. So crazypj, do you locktite the studs at all?

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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 07:21:42 PM »
I would not apply Loctite to a stud/bolt and put it in a Helicoil hole. As for thread lock on Helicoils....I have heard both stories and seen in at least one bike magazine (Motorcyclist) apply Loctite to the insert before inserting it. I have my ideas.
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Re: Head bolt thread repair
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 09:23:51 AM »
Nope,
It keeps them from screwing out when you remove the stud at a later date. The tab used to screw the the heli coil with the helicoil installation tool in is nornally snapped off so reinstalling the coil can't be done. It's a trick the more experienced guys do that's all, the guys that have actually seen the properly installed coils thread out. This is one reason why a threaded insert is better. Many a spark plug have been removed with helicoils attached :)

You let the loctite set up before you install the stud and you use it on the aluminum threads sparingly before the helicoil is installed.

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Nope, doesn't work like that.
 It is common when Helicoil wasn't done right.
The outer diameter of Helicoil is larger than the inner diameter.
 The outer diameter is larger than the hole size it screws into.
 Friction keeps it in place.
It isn't possible to prevent thread-lock migrating to inner part of insert and the bolt gets ;glued; to insert
 I've hear a lot of supposedly 'experienced/trained' mechanics/techs saying to Loctite Helicoils in place, it's wrong.
 If you want to use thread lock compound, use Timeserts, they are the bodgers friend as they hide shoddy work
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