ok took casing off and alternator rotor not loose , starter clutch cog has some side to side play in it? , put it back together and took it for a run knocking noise still there under load ?,did about 100 miles or so about 10 miles from home started to make like a whining noise from the same area? the faster i went the louder it got and the slower the quieter?, i have heard similar noises from car alternators when the bearing has packed in?, will order a rotor puller of dave silvers in the morning then i can have a look behind my rotor.