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Offline Zeke

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$200 Hookers.....
« on: June 03, 2006, 09:51:14 PM »
Hey Y'all:

Na, this ain't an x-rated post.  I'm talking about the 4-1 hooker pipes I bought last winter.

I finally put them on today!  That was a bit of a job.  Had to remove the center stand.  :'(   I sure will miss that.  I'm thinking later I might try to alter it for clearance around the pipe or something.

Had a hell of a time getting the exhaust collars on too -- I was beginning to think I was retarded, but after I had them on as good as I could get I noticed that Terry's oil cooler adapter was interfering with the pipe.  It was only the fitting though, so I just rotated it a bit out of the way.  (still haven't hooked up the cooler -- I moved over by the Pacific coast and don't need it here.)

Dang, that pipe is LOUD!!!  I'm sure the neighbors will love it  :P :P :P :P ::)

Haven't taken it for a spin but it's a totally different look for my bike.  Oh, and it backfired quite a bit.

What's up with that?

I have some new jets coming if they are needed.  (Well since I'm getting pods too I'm sure I'll need them) But I thought I'd try it out first.  I was thinking I'd get some colder plugs as the bike was already running a bit lean (PO put in a UNI foam element with stock jetting) and don't want to burn up anything on a test ride.

If I needed to adjust the pilots a bit, which way would conventional wisdom dictate?  Leaner or Richer?

Thanks!!, Hookers Rule!!!

Zeke  ::) :P :-[
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Offline Terry in Australia

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 10:40:04 PM »
How about some pics, Zeke? I didn't know you could still get 'em? The backfiring sounds like an air leak, mabe between the collector and muffler?

Do a plug chop to check if you need bigger jets, I'm running straight out drag pipes and pods on my K1, and the mixture is about fine, with only stock jetting, so there's no real "rule of thumb", but it may well be running a little lean, just check first. Cheers, Terry.  ;D
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2006, 10:50:52 PM »
Yeah, how 'bout some pics? And a .wav file maybe?  :D
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 10:53:58 PM »
   Oh Terry...somehow I knew that you'd be the first one posting a response on a "$200 Hooker" thread.... ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2006, 11:05:10 PM »
I had my Visa card out too mate, what a disappointment! ;D
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2006, 11:09:15 PM »
   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2006, 11:20:23 PM »
Those open pipes? Lean running can cause popping through the carbs, and if the bike was lean BEFORE you put the pipes on...

If the bike didn't pop before, and the only change you've made is to go with more open pipes, jetting would be my first project.
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2006, 11:22:49 PM »
Oh, and about changing plugs: there's some joke to the effect that addressing fueling issues by changing your plugs is like addressing the weather by blowing into your barometer.
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2006, 11:52:47 PM »
I'll take some pics tomorrow.

The pipes were NOS.  I couldn't believe my good luck that they were being sold on the off season and no one was bidding on them.

Ya know, Terry, the collector/muffler junction is like a real tight slip fit.  There was no clamp, and there isn't any "splits" in the outer pipe to allow for clamping.  ???

Good Quality.

The muffler is pretty open --  the center is about 2" in diameter and it's fully open.

Funny about the plug thing.  I'll just take a short jaunt and check the plugs -- if they are looking lean I'll put home and wait until the replacements come in.

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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2006, 09:29:53 AM »
Hey All:

Here's the pics I promised.

I didn't even plan on doing the pipes yesterday -- I was going to replace my oil pan Oring.  But I started polishing things, and just went bonkers.  You can see my ugly oil dripping oilpan in one of the shots.

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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2006, 09:30:38 AM »
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2006, 02:19:10 PM »
Hmmm, the first ride was a miserable failure.  I tried to take the bike out for a test ride, and now it's at the bottom of the driveway and I can't make it back up  :D :D :D :'(

I live on a very steep hill -- it's about 30 degrees or more.  But, before I switched pipes I could ride up in first gear with very little throttle and cruise right up.

I almost bit it twice trying to turn around to try again.   ::)  Ridiculous, I knew I should have waited for my jets to come in but since I only switched a pipe I thought it would be OK.  I did richen the pilots just an 1/8th turn.  (on the 650 they are more senstive)

What do you think?  The bike was running awesome before I switched the pipe, and now it hardly runs?  HELP!!

Zeke
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2006, 03:24:52 PM »
possibly running weak , needs upjetting , mick.
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2006, 03:28:56 PM »
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What do you think?

I think you should carry the old pipes down to the bike and reinstall them and return the idle adjustment to its former setting. Then you can get the bike back up the hill.  ;)
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2006, 03:41:30 PM »
Hey all:

The village idiot just got his bike up the hill.   ;D

As I was driving down to the bottom of this mountainous driveway to run my bike over with my truck, I had a "moment of clarity".  :o

Had I put the plug wires back in the correct locations?  ???  No Way, lemme check....

I had reversed 3 and 4!!!!  :-[  Well, in my defense, they fit better that way, and when I had to cut some of the wire "guard" off of #4 so it would fit into my inductive timing light last year, I cut off the number......

I'm such a moron.  With that, it fired up and I have to say, I like the exhaust note quite a bit  :D :D :D

Seemed to have alot of power starting at 6-7K rpm, but then again it's running lean.  But it did run very smooth.

Can't wait for the new mains so I can take it out to "thrash test".

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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2006, 03:45:05 PM »
Well done Zeke, while you're waiting for your new main jets, can you move your needles up a notch on the clip? That'll help. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2006, 03:53:54 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on June 04, 2006, 03:45:05 PM
Well done Zeke, while you're waiting for your new main jets, can you move your needles up a notch on the clip? That'll help. Cheers, Terry. ;D

Hi Terry:

Yah, I can raise them but I need some shims which are supposed to come with my jets.  I'll call that guy tomorrow and see what the holdup is.  If it's going to be a while I may just have the machinist at work drill them for the time being.

BTW, I had written that I might try a colder plug in the meantime to temporarily compensate for the lean condition.  I read that in the FAQ that Harry wrote.  Does this work, some think it won't.

Thanks for the help.

Zeke

PS  what do you think of the pipes?  Do you remember ever seeing them without a muffler clamp?
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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2006, 04:01:57 PM »
Nice looking pipes Zeke, re: the plugs, I've used a hotter plug for an old oil burner, but have never used a colder plug, so I don't know, maybe Noel is right? Ok, I gotta get to work (Monday here in Oz) have fun, Cheers, Terry. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: $200 Hookers.....
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2006, 09:55:21 AM »
A colder plug will LOOK better, but your engine will still be lean. In my experience, all the plug swapping in the world won't help it run better when the problem is fueling. OTOH, I don't see how it will hurt anything, as long as you don't think -- as some folks seem to -- that the problem is "fixed" just because your plugs aren't melting any more.

It does occur to me that colder plugs MAY reduce the possibility of preignition in a SERIOUSLY lean engine, but that's just a half-educated guess. Maybe one of the Honda scientists here can answer that one.

IMO, a better "quick fix" would be to drill your mains while waiting for replacements to arrive. There's a bit of a controversy over whether drilled jets work correctly, although it's not controversial for me personally: my bike runs better -- with velocity stacks and open pipes -- after drilling my mains than before.
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