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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2012, 11:33:25 AM »
Note: On my 750 I'm running a 130 on a 16" rim. After a lot of miles (sorry lost count) of mostly straight stop & go (stop sometimes and go fast ;D) I've worn out much of the rear tire with a flat spot.  :(  The edge of this flat spot just happens to be on one of the tread grooves thus accentuating the feeling of a little shift when leaning into sharp curves. Probably not much different than any other fat tires with a flat spot.. I'm not sure.

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I see now what everybody is talking about when they say squaring off the tire.  Can some of this be linked to riding habbits or is this mainly from a tire that is too wide?  I'm in need of tires and want something wider but not at the expense of improper wear. 

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2012, 12:37:17 PM »
Don't go wider. Why should you? It's quality you want not quantity.
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2012, 12:51:24 PM »
Agreed. I was speaking to a rep from Avon a couole years back when i was shopping around for a set of Venoms / Super Venoms for my V-Max...and explained to him that I really wanted to go a bit wider on the rear tire.  He told me to not do it and went on to explain that the oem tire size is selected by the design engineers and is integral to the motorcycle design (i.e cornering / handling, etc..) and deviating from the d.esign spec. is done so at a cost. Makes sense and I went with his recommendation. ...but i am likely to go with a 120 90 18 on my cafe project...

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2012, 02:22:48 PM »
Just wondering.  I see a lot of people here want to go wider and I wouldnt mind myself but not if its gonna cause problems.  Has anybody here ran wider tires which caused problems?
To stay on topic, I really like the look of the BT45s.

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2012, 02:47:39 PM »
i had one size wider bt45 rear once,,it turns better noticably with the correct size tyre.,you wear the tread centre out faster aswell.

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2012, 10:05:25 PM »
This is the only safe way to run a wider tire on a CB750, run a wider rim to go with it. This is a 140/80 BT45 on a 5 inch wide rim on my K2, the tire just clears everything, and fills out the rear of the bike nicely too. This is probably the best handling CB750 I've owned, but as you can see, there are some other mods that help as well. Cheers, Terry. ;D



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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2012, 10:14:53 PM »
Continental are making some nice tires that would fit our bikes with slightly wider rims..

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/sport_touring/road_attack/contiroadattack_en.html

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/sport_touring/road_attack2/contiroadattack2_en.html

I have read a bit about them lately including a track test by an Aussie bike mag and they were very impressed.... ;)
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2012, 10:29:14 PM »
Damn Terry, that's just plain beautiful!
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2012, 10:45:12 PM »
Damn Terry, that's just plain beautiful!

Thanks mate! ;D
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« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2012, 10:50:09 PM »
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and I wouldnt mind myself
Why is that?
I mean, wouldn't you like to have the best handling bike possible? 
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #85 on: June 10, 2012, 06:34:16 AM »
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and I wouldnt mind myself
Why is that?
I mean, wouldn't you like to have the best handling bike possible?

For the looks.  Again, I'm not gonna run a bigger size if its gonna cause problems, handling problems included. 

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2012, 07:21:40 AM »
The "looks" of a tire.
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #87 on: June 10, 2012, 06:50:03 PM »
Yes, the "looks" of the tire(Width, height, tread pattern etc).  Which helps the looks of the bike.  Do they not?  If you dont like the look, keeps yours stock, no need to (sigh) about it.  I like the look of the wider tire and would run one if there were no negative affects. 

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« Reply #88 on: June 10, 2012, 07:11:12 PM »
Yes, the "looks" of the tire(Width, height, tread pattern etc).  Which helps the looks of the bike.  Do they not?  If you dont like the look, keeps yours stock, no need to (sigh) about it.  I like the look of the wider tire and would run one if there were no negative affects. 

+1.  My bike is not a daily rider and since I have multiple bikes, it will be quite awhile before the tread is squared off.
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2012, 07:59:12 PM »
Yea, maybe in the future, but I will stick with the stock size because I'm new to bikes and want to learn basic riding/my riding habits before I mod something this important.  The more I look at the tires mentioned in this thread, the more I'm leaning towards the Dunlop D404s.  I think they are a good compromise for the weather here in Minnesota.

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2016, 09:40:54 AM »
Rather than start a new topic, I'll continue this one.  Everyone has responded about the Avon Roadrunner positively, but no mention of the other tires in the Avon "Classic" line, so how about the Speedmaster MkII / Safety Mileage MkII combo?  Any thoughts, experience with these?

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2016, 10:13:21 AM »
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2016, 03:41:11 PM »
Rather than start a new topic, I'll continue this one.  Everyone has responded about the Avon Roadrunner positively, but no mention of the other tires in the Avon "Classic" line, so how about the Speedmaster MkII / Safety Mileage MkII combo?  Any thoughts, experience with these?

http://www.avonmoto.com/products/classic


I have used the Speedmaster mkII ribbed front.  Its a pretty good tire... provides excellent grip and feel in clean, dry conditions.  But it is terrifying on grooved pavement and not much good in the wet.  You'll have that with a grooved tread pattern.  I have personally not tried the safety mileage rear, but the squareish profile is not confidence inspiring.  It is a popular choice with chopper guys as it looks delicious, has a nice soft compound and they don't really corner anyway.  Not sure why they recommend the safety mileage rear with the speedmaster ribbed front when the roadrunner looks to be a much better choice for a '70's jap bike.
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2016, 04:55:50 PM »
I love my Avons, but found the Bridgestones to be stickier at lower temps.

+1  I switched from the Roadriders to the BT45s.  Much better tire!
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2016, 05:34:40 AM »
I was a BT45 fan for 20 years, until Dave put me onto Pirelli Sport Demons. I've been using them for 3 or 4 years now, and I have to say they are the best tyre I've used on an older bike. Good stuff! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2016, 06:27:58 AM »
I wish there were UTQG ratings for motorcycle tires.  Then we'd have some meaningful way to compare these tires. 

Terry, when you say "best", do you mean longer life (which some would call better), or better performance, grip, traction (which others would call better), which are usually mutually exclusive.   
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« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2016, 05:03:29 AM »
I wish there were UTQG ratings for motorcycle tires.  Then we'd have some meaningful way to compare these tires. 

Terry, when you say "best", do you mean longer life (which some would call better), or better performance, grip, traction (which others would call better), which are usually mutually exclusive.   

G'Day Mate, none of my bikes do big miles except my Yamaha FJR1300, which of course is fitted with Pirelli's too, in it's case though, Angel GT's, as they don't do Sport Demons for FJR1300's. Anyhoo, I don't care about longevity, there aren't too many owners of SOHC4's that do big miles nowadays, so my opinion is based purely on "better performance, grip, traction" etc.

Tyres have a "Use By" date, so quite often when I buy a bike (I've bought 7 bikes in the last year) I'll replace the tyres with new ones, regardless of how good they still look. I replaced the Michelin tyres on my VFR750 with new Michelin Pilot Road 4's last month, the tyres that were on it still looked okay, but were probably close to 20 years old? Also, nothing feels better than a new set of tyres on a bike, quite often a bike's poor "Handling" can be traced to the age and condition of it's tyres. 

One problem with BT45's that I discovered, was that the front tyres would "scallop" after awhile, and because I always replace my tyres as a set, I'd have to throw away a perfectly servicable rear tyre due to the scalloped front. No biggie, but a little annoying too. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2016, 08:44:49 AM »
I ended-up with the Road riders and can report back that I am very pleased with the ride, handling and quality.  I do wish the Roadrunners were available in the 750 sizes, but that stopped many years ago.  The Road riders are my third set of Avon's and I have never had any issues.

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2016, 01:36:32 PM »
CB cafe, if by Road Riders you mean the AM26 Road Rider, they are available for the 750. In both Imperial and Metric sizes.

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Re: Avon Roadrider, Dunlop D404 or Bridgestone BT45?
« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2016, 04:09:55 AM »
To avoid scalloping in the front for the BT-45s run front at 40psi (as recommended by a Bridgstone rep).

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