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Offline heffay

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What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« on: April 06, 2012, 05:48:28 PM »
I don't get it... what could someone do with my license plate number from a photo???
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 06:04:04 PM »
 Look up your address and come steal your car/bike/vehicle.
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 06:13:09 PM »
 If you did the obscured thing..probably less likely a scammer would use your photos.. I am thinking..
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 06:24:16 PM »
Not disregarding your comments...

I just don't see someone going to the effort of looking at pictures, then having the connections to get a tag run (yes, I know lots of people do though), then stealing.  And that logic really would only apply on high dollar items, not the usual old CB.
If a scammer uses my pic, cool!  My bike is making the internet rounds.   ;D

I think people do it mostly because they see it done so regularly.  I guess I just don't really care if anyone sees my tags... after all, my garage is alarmed and I have a shotgun. 
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 06:50:58 PM »
You ride all over town with your tag in plain view so I don't really see what makes posting a picture of any more risky.

What I REALLY don't understand is why people put an ad on Craigslist and don't include a phone number. I buy quite a few items including cars and bikes but if they don't have phone number on their ad I will not respond by Email. They could at least spell out a few numbers if they are afraid of scammers. When I run an ad I just leave the area code off of my number. Anyone in the state knows it anyway and anyone else could look it up if they were really interested.


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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 08:03:26 PM »
IIRC scammers would use pictures of vehicles with license numbers visible.  They would find the address of said owner, advertise the vehicle on Craigslist or EBay, collect a payment, and tell the mark he/she could pick the vehicle up at the owner's address.  Much drama occurred when the new 'owner' arrived to take delivery.  People began obscuring plate numbers to foil the scam.

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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 09:29:52 PM »
people were doing it 30 years ago in bike mags..lots of reasons..
 hiding from x's, bill collectors..worried about getting your bike ripped, , unwanted visitors or attention, stuff in background pics getting ripped off.. lots of reasons..
 If you think inernet exposure by having a scammer use pics of your possesions to steal money is OK, well I for one do not..
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 10:35:48 PM »
P A R A N O I A  plain and simple
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 11:40:12 PM »
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2012, 05:40:29 AM »
I have lots of old motorcycle license plates,
if I just took pictures of them would scammers try to look up the owners?
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2012, 07:10:57 AM »
I was wondering the same thing. Now that i know, I guess i am paranoid myself. Even with a personalized plate that one might like to show their internet buddies because its cute or clever. Sigh.  :(
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2012, 07:21:55 AM »
nowadays they just use the image metadata to find the gps coordinates of where the picture is taken. No, I made that up, but possible.
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 07:27:22 AM »
Bike mags a different, 754... Those are not published by the owner of the bike, mags are protecting themselves.

And, generally when one puts a smiley or lol by a comment, they may not be entirely serious.   :P but, as I don't obscure my tags, I'll let you know when some dip#$%* that fell for a scam, paid for a bike unseen, shows up at my house, I'll let you know. 
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2012, 07:28:57 AM »
nowadays they just use the image metadata to find the gps coordinates of where the picture is taken. No, I made that up, but possible.
Well I did shield it from above with a tin foil hat.   ;)
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2012, 07:44:49 AM »
plate blacked out or not, if a scammer wants to use pics of ANY bike or car online to rip people off he can.  I dont worry too much about it. 
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2012, 08:14:28 AM »
 Back in the day, the numbers were not blnked out by the magazine, but rather the owners..

 I bet the guy that HAD the CYCLONE RACER wishes no one ever knew where he lived...

 When I was in Germany I got two plates made up one with one of my names, the other blank, so I can put  whatever vinyl letters or numbers on that I feel like..
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2012, 08:48:23 AM »
Back in the day, the numbers were not blnked out by the magazine, but rather the owners..

 I bet the guy that HAD the CYCLONE RACER wishes no one ever knew where he lived...

 When I was in Germany I got two plates made up one with one of my names, the other blank, so I can put  whatever vinyl letters or numbers on that I feel like..


Ya, that's what I was meaning about it being prudent for highly sought after machines (irreplaceable), the faux tag idea makes sense for added coolness in pix tho.
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2012, 09:17:54 AM »
People have seen it done in other pictures either on the internet, in a magazine, or on the news, so when posting their own pictures they think that's the way it's supposed to be done and they don't put a lot of thought into why they're doing it.  That's my take on it, at least. 

I think I did it the first couple of times I posted a picture way back when I first made my bikes.com page, and then I asked myself "what's the point?".  A license plate is specifically designed and placed so as to be highly visible and legible.  It's out in the open for all to see every single day. 

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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2012, 09:24:15 AM »
A license plate is specifically designed and placed so as to be highly visible and legible.  It's out in the open for all to see every single day.

And you're not supposed to be able to run a plate without the proper authority... but, I guess if you're a scammer, you probably have ways around that too.  I just think that in this day and age, most people are aware of the scams.  Unless, you're 16 with no life experience, something will probably seem a little fishy with the typical scams.
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2012, 09:45:21 AM »
Look at Frank's avatar and ask yourself "do I want to be stalked by that?!" In your case Heff just don't add your picture beside the tag. Eliz will have to beat off all the hot babes that will stalk you when you're ID'd.
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2012, 09:54:06 AM »
lol, so you think I'm cute?   :-*
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2012, 10:27:42 AM »
 There are gobs of folks out there ripe for scamming.. the less time they spend online the less they tend to know about those things..
 I learned lots fast on the ebay forums.. about online types of scamming..you could hear about it days after happening ..instead of months, years, or worse..after its happened to you..
 To put the plate issue simply, if you feel the need to give additional info , leave it visible... personally I think in a show situation, or pics for a feature, I think it much cooler to have a custom plate/card that enhances or gives credit.. ie, name of the bike, or maybe a shop /supplier that helped out or you supporet..or even a list of people that helped..

 In some case plates will tell you the town, Germany for instance, my wife can id the town from plate prefix on at least 50% of German plates. Also some places like to control how many vehicles you have, or collect taxes on even parked ones.. no sense drawing attention to that either...

 
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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2012, 10:25:56 AM »
In Spain the DMV run the vehicle register file. It is a public file, in the meaning that anybody can go there with a plate number, and for a small fee, get the actual status of the vehicle -owner, lieu, etc-. The idea is to help prospective buyers to know the status of the vehicle, much like you would do before buying a house or land.

Actually, I have used that data to track down previous owners of my bikes, and using the yellow pages, contacted them to ask them about the bikes. I even invited one of them to come over and take a ride on it, which we did -think I posted about it here-.

I know I didn't do anything illegal, because all the information came from legal sources, and being my intentions good, that people could simply hang off the phone when I called. Actually, it takes some seconds to let them understand what is going on, because when an stranger phones you, usually it is to sell you something, so when they get the phone, they are usually in "defense mode" until you explain who you are and why you are calling-.


I don't mind saying in my internet profiles from where I am, but I don't need to specify my address. My address is an information completely redundant. And if I post pictures of my bike, my bike tag is also redundant. It gives no special information about the bike, and not being of any help, even when the chances are slight, it could lend somebody to track me down and steal it from me. Paranoia? I don't think so, it is simply cheap insurance. I'm not paranoid about my bike, but why giving redundant information that doesn't help anybody, but could harm you?

If I post pictures of somebody else's vehicle, I also pixelize the tags. I know I won't get into any legal trouble doing it, because tags are public, and you can photograph anything on the streets, but it is simply that if I post somebody else's vehicle it is not for the tag, so no need to publish that. I have the personal address of people from this forum. Do I need to make it public? Obviously not, it doesn't give any interesting information.


I guess the reason is the same that had Google StreetView pixelize faces and tags. They are redundant information, the application purpose is to show streets, and the people and vehicles in the streets are just redundant information. Why showing them? You won't help anybody and will piss many people off, so on with the pixelizer!


I think it is not paranoia, it is just internet manners, Internet is relatively new and we need to enact some "social manners" on it when it comes to others.

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Re: What's with obscuring license plates in pictures?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2012, 10:43:23 AM »
 Just imagine this.. you live in a big city, you already lost a bike or two to theives..

 You finally get another bike done up nice and you are very proud. Then a magazine wants to fearture it.. What to do , what to do.. well I can see why some folks use a nickname or soodenim (sp), and cover their plate..

 Its all fun and cool till you get up one fine sunny morning.................................................................... and there..its....GONE... I mean as in not there... and NEVER seen again...
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