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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2012, 06:17:21 AM »
I think helmets should be worn in the shower!!!!!!
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2012, 07:31:05 AM »
spanner the bike was a 2003 Honda shadow ace deluxe. all i remember is the deer came out of a cornfield jump on me like it was trying to jump over me i veered off to the left hit a cement driveway culvert the cops determined i was only going about 40mph i just turned the corner from my street.i have had several crashes growing up that's why i do not own a dirt bike anymore.i grew up with these machines.i know the dangers of them.i also did the boxing/mma for about 6yrs now that was the most ignorant thing I've done.it was far more dangerous than riding without a helmet. the funny thing about the wreck is my nose was so messed up from fighting that it was hard to breath out of it. after the face implant on the mailbox i can now breath out of my nose. but anyway this helmet subject is like politics and religion stay away from the subject,your damned if you do and damend if you don't.just because i don't wear one doesn't make me a bad guy. if i ever get to meet some of you guys i will buy you all a soda (i don't drink acohol).
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2012, 08:31:43 AM »
I think helmets should be worn in the shower!!!!!!


I wear mine on the #$%*ter, in case I pass out and fall off! :D
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2012, 09:18:28 AM »
freedomgli, glad you explained your views and beliefs, not the type of person I want to be around..

 What is up with "freedom" in ytourname when you seem so willing to give it up, or legislate to have it taken away from people..?
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2012, 10:26:04 AM »
 Helmet optional state, does not mean you can not wear helmets.
 Helmet mandatory state, does not meam helmets are worn in all cases.

  There are instances where riders have survived significant head injury without helmets. There are many instance where riders have died of head injuries wearing them.
 As far as I know, NO  helmet manufacturer has Ever guaranteed that they work..
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Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2012, 11:28:19 AM »
Helmets do indeed reduce injury. That fact is indisputable. But not all crashes are survivable regardless of what's protecting your head. Keep blindly following ABATE instead of letting the facts shape your opinion....

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2012, 11:54:57 AM »
What is up with "freedom" in ytourname when you seem so willing to give it up, or legislate to have it taken away from people..?

With great freedom comes great responsibility. Just because you can doesn't mean you should choose stupid.  Be smart: ATGATT.

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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2012, 12:27:47 PM »
Probably 15 years ago I took my old 750 to Montana just for the hell of it. At a stoplight in Sydney, I heard a couple of chicks on Harleys behind me (they had to shout at each other) talking about ME. One was saying "why is he wearing a helmet?". The other responded "he's from Saskatchewan", and her friend responded "but he's here now". I get the impression that the idea of  someone wearing a helmet voluntarily hadn't even occurred to them. If you ladies are reading this now, know that anyone indulging in herd behavior is to be pitied.
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2012, 02:36:18 PM »
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As far as I know, NO  helmet manufacturer has Ever guaranteed that they work..

Thats not the brightest thing you have said Frank, of course they work, are they infallible.? No , but you put a helmet on and i'll wack it with a baseball bat, take it off and i'll wack you in the head, you tell me if it works........ :o ;D :P
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2012, 05:26:24 PM »
This thread makes me miss my mom.

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2012, 05:49:51 PM »
With the weather being nice today, I observed most people were still wearing helmets.  The only exceptions were a few H-D riders.  One made a lot of noise in the service station by me, by constantly rapping the gas, as if to say hey look at me, no helmet.  He left the same way, most noise possible.

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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2012, 07:01:11 PM »
This thread makes me miss my mom.

I wouldn't worry about this thread scrap, i just read that one of the states in Florida has just completely legislated against night clubs, dance halls and skating rinks because people congregate there and there is a possibility of trouble. And you guys are worried about helmet laws..... :o
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2012, 07:25:15 PM »
Judgemental Judy.
Damn right I'm judgmental! I have no respect for motorcyclists who don't wear proper safety gear including helmets. ATGATT. You can't sit back and do nothing about moyorcycle safety. Each of us has a tremendous responsibility. If we as a group don't achieve a "reasonable" level of safety then outside groups (government, insurance, safety watchdog groups) will do it for us and you might not like how they decide to fix our problem. So better to be responsible and not give them a reason to regulate motorcyling out of existence.

Some people consider motorcycles themselves to be an unnecessary risk, or mountain climbing, or hanggliding, or scuba diving, etc etc.  Where to draw the line?
The law often makes use of the word "reasonable" when determining what risks are acceptable or not. You can't go scuba diving without being certified on proper safety to minimize the risk of death / injury. Similarly, hang gliding is self-regulating (USHGA). My 2nd-cousin is an experiened hang glider and he'll be the first to kick your ass off the mountain if you don't know what the hell you're doing and put yourself, others and the sport at risk. Guns are another one. Nevermind the personal devastation, but take a look at the economics of illegal hand gun use. If gun owners don't do more to become more accountable for their proper use then you might see even greater restrictions. As a responsible gun owner myself, I don't leave a loaded hand gun on the kitchen counter for my unsupervised child to play with. Riding without a helmet is like playing with a loaded gun. It's an unnecessary risk that is easily and cheaply mitigated by a $100 piece of fiberglass and plastic.

I keep hearing ATGATT. But most people who preach it, arnt wearing " all of it"

To be able to say that, do you wear a-

Full face helmet
Neck Brace
Torso armor( also called a Pressure Suit)
Leather /Cordura rideing suit with sholder, hip, back, knee  and elbow armor and padding
Gauntlet style golves with armored fingers, knuckles and wrist armor?
Shin High rideing boots with ancle and foot armor?
Mabey one of those new jackets with the air bags in it.


I'm not saying ATGATT is a bad idea, but most who preach don't actualy do it.
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2012, 09:07:21 PM »
 I never said Helmets dont prevent injuries in many or even most cases.

 I never said if I wear one all the time either.

 Freedomgli, you said your cousin had and accident without helmet , and mentioned the state had no helmet law. BUT he chose Not to wear it, the sTtate did not choose, he turned the throttle, not anyone else.
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2012, 10:20:09 PM »
Perhaps the Michigan legislators are attempting to stengthen the states gene pool?
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2012, 10:28:43 PM »
What?! No one's mentioned health care costs yet?! 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2012, 06:34:28 AM »
Freedomgli, you said your cousin had and accident without helmet , and mentioned the state had no helmet law. BUT he chose Not to wear it, the sTtate did not choose, he turned the throttle, not anyone else.

Yes, just like famous NFL star athlete Ben Roethlisberger, my idiotic cousin did not wear a helmet because it was not required by law.  Unlike Roethlisberger, my cousin didn't get another chance to make the right decision.

For every stupid reason someone posits why they shouldn't have to wear a helmet, I have 20 better reasons why all motorcyclists should.  Bikers who ride without a helmet often dismiss the risks fatalistically - "when your number's up," etc.  The same motorcyclists talk about riding uncovered as a personal matter. Well, it's not. This choice to be stupid negatively affects all of us, not just other motorcyclists.

FREEDOM to act does not mean the LIBERTY to act:

In principle, a man is FREE to drink to delirium, but a habitual drunk who lets his children starve will be put in jail, whereas organizations such as MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) have thousands of tales to tell about people who have been innocent victims of someone else’s exercise of what they wrongly viewed to be “their liberty”. Freedom is not identical with Liberty.

In the instant case, whether Ben Roethlisberger wears a helmet or not while driving a motorcycle affects not only him personally, but also millions of other persons around the world and in the USA. He is of course a “free” man, to be sure, to do what he wants, but “liberty” puts constraints upon him, as it does upon all of us in a civilized world governed by the rule of law and by societal rules and conventions which go far beyond the simplistic ideas of well-meaning libertarians.

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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2012, 06:35:49 AM »
What?! No one's mentioned health care costs yet?!

I'll do it then.  The stupid choices of a very small number of irresponsible motorcyclists has cost our nation BILLIONS of dollars over the years.  We should not continue to subsidize such callous behavior when there is such a simple and affordable solution so readily available.

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2012, 07:53:12 AM »
 If you truly want to reduce injuries or save lives, what are you doing to lessen "cell phone/e-device use while driving".. a far bigger problem than helmet use.
 What happened to an athlete does not affect me much, he was used by a pawn by the media.. I do not appreciate their oft distorted view..re helmet useage..
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2012, 12:51:06 PM »
Judgemental Judy.
Damn right I'm judgmental! I have no respect for motorcyclists who don't wear proper safety gear including helmets. ATGATT. You can't sit back and do nothing about moyorcycle safety. Each of us has a tremendous responsibility. If we as a group don't achieve a "reasonable" level of safety then outside groups (government, insurance, safety watchdog groups) will do it for us and you might not like how they decide to fix our problem. So better to be responsible and not give them a reason to regulate motorcyling out of existence.

Some people consider motorcycles themselves to be an unnecessary risk, or mountain climbing, or hanggliding, or scuba diving, etc etc.  Where to draw the line?
Similarly, hang gliding is self-regulating (USHGA). My 2nd-cousin is an experiened hang glider and he'll be the first to kick your ass off the mountain if you don't know what the hell you're doing and put yourself, others and the sport at risk.

Well...when I go hang gliding I guess I should go to a mountain not "owned" ::) by your cousin.  You two remind me of some one....who was it?
 I have said all I intend to about helmets but just starting to poke fun at self righteous blowhards. ;D
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2012, 12:59:16 PM »


That ax-wielding #$%*!  ;D
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2012, 01:04:33 PM »
I wasnt going to drink today but think I will in her honor. ;D
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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2012, 01:11:09 PM »
Maybe he won't be happy till we all look like this.....minus the umbrella of course. ;D

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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2012, 01:52:55 PM »
For those out & about in and around Michigan, you no longer have to wear a helmet, effective immediately.

To ride helmetless, you must be:

- 21 y/o or older
- have passed the MSF safety course or have had a m/c endorsement for at least 2 years
- have at least $20k first party medical insurance

Passenger can go helmetless if
- at least 21 y/o
- at least $20k first party medical insurance
- the operator's insurance can cover the passenger if it's for at least $20k per person.

Government Herd Thinning, hmmmmmm I have heard of this when times get tough!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Changes to Michigan Helmet Law
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2012, 02:06:01 PM »
Maybe he won't be happy till we all look like this.....minus the umbrella of course. ;D
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