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Offline phil71

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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2012, 12:03:02 AM »
Terry,  I had a guy show up at the shop with a GS on a pickup truck.. it sat all winter, not properly prepped... said it wouldn't start. It had the adventure tank, which I'm sure you know is a big deal to the GS crowd... I pulled the tank.
   In the past, I've revived a few fuel injected bikes that were stored improperly long term, and found a crystaline 'marble' or chunk in the pump, fuel line, or right at the injector. This is SUGAR, which grain alcohol contains in large quantities.  (actually, i can't believe this discussion hasn't touched on that). Ironic that sugar in a gas tank was something people used to vindictively do as a prank, and now we put it in willingly. I am not 100% sure why that effects fuel injected bikes more, but I theorize that the uni-directional couplers prevent backflow, and the small section of fuel line that remains pressurized starts to separate out the sugar and deposit it at the injector. I've seen it a few times. The worst case was a Ducati SuperSport. It had a chunk right at the injector, in the fuel line. When I sliced the line open with a razor blade, I got what looked like a yellow advil liqui-gel.
  Anyway, I expected to find exactly that in the fuel system of this GS. I pulled the pump/pickup/sender unit. The pump motor had indeed burned out. The armature was blackened, the bearings were seized hard and egged out. There was that yellow-y sugar crud all over the impeller, BUT a reddish-brown slop was all inside the tank. I could see that it had peeled off the innards.. so there was bare steel in places, and that goop in others. It was a goddamned greek tragedy inside that thing. I called the dealership, who confirmed that the tanks were indeed lined from the factory for awhile. I'm unsure if it was only the short-lived adventure tank or not, but since that thing was really hard to replace, I spent a couple days cleaning it out, using a few different methods.
   I'll never do that again.. you just can't bill for all those hours, but I'm glad we saved the tank, and the paint job, and that he was on the road again.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2012, 03:27:31 AM »
Thanks Phil, I'll make sure I take a peek inside any BMW tanks before I buy them. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2012, 05:19:37 AM »
My tank was coated with brown tarnish when I got her. Gas gone semi solid. Took a lot of effort to get it out.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2012, 06:21:07 AM »
Just wondering.

 in this neck of the woods regular gas has 10 per cent ethanol and premium has 0 per cent ... intermediate has 5 per cent since it is mixed half and half when it leaves the refinery (Irving in Saint John, NB)

Since Irving supplies the a major portion of the gasoline in New England from their Saint John refinery does this also apply in New England?

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Even the higher octane has the Ethanol, just less of it.  about 2% I believe.  Which is all any of the fuel actually needs.  I suspect that 10% is evented because it is cheaper then petrolum.  They can use it to bump up low octaine petro, and they save on refining cost.   Not good for the consumer so much as good for a profit.

Think about what TT wrote.  The Ethanol subsdie has run out for farmers.  Corporate farms have a lot of power to maintain these profit type subsudies.  They just no longer need it now as the Oil industry is right on board with them.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2012, 03:18:36 PM »
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89 ethanol free gas= 38mpg
87 with ethanol = 38mpg
 That was riding 70-80mph constantly.
 So no better mpgs in my opinion.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2012, 03:00:46 AM »
Yep, from what I can gather, Ethanol is less efficient than petrol. Over here you can buy 95 RON Ethanol petrol for a few cents less than 91 RON "No Ethanol" petrol. Trouble is, there's no discernable performance improvement, and slightly increased fuel consumption, so no real advantage in using it, IMO. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2012, 03:47:24 AM »
It comes back to the stoichio-metric ratio, petrol has a stoic ratio of 14.7:1 where as alcohol is around 8:1
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2012, 07:28:13 AM »
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89 ethanol free gas= 38mpg
87 with ethanol = 38mpg
 That was riding 70-80mph constantly.
 So no better mpgs in my opinion.

Your 89 must not be ethanol free. When I use ethanol free gas I get 10-20 miles extra more per tank.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2012, 09:35:34 AM »
Oh... Ok. They sure are selling lots of it.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2012, 05:01:07 PM »
holly mother of god i didnt know the gas station 3.6 miles away from me had ethanol free gas!!!!! thanks for the pure gas website freakin epic!
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2012, 11:40:42 PM »
Most of the Marine fuel I'm accustomed to is sold at a lower price because it has no road tax, and has a dye in it to deter/  catch  people from tax  cheating.

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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2012, 02:05:37 AM »
I can't get ethanol free fuel at the local gas station here in NJ. But I can get ethanol free race fuel. Would the 105 octane rating be a problem for my SOHC engine? I really don't mind paying the $5 a gallon for it, I only fill it up twice a month.
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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2012, 04:53:03 AM »
I can get ethanol free race fuel. Would the 105 octane rating be a problem for my SOHC engine? I really don't mind paying the $5 a gallon for it, I only fill it up twice a month.

$5 a gallon is probably a really good price. 

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Re: Marine gas. Ethanol free. Anyone tried it?
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2012, 05:27:28 AM »
I dont know if the fuel at the dock is dyed here or not but its far more expensive. Maybe its Hilton Head Island prices. Im not sure about diesel.
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