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Chain and sprokets
« on: June 04, 2006, 03:31:11 PM »
Hey all.
 I was thinking about changing all three . chain to a 530 and the sprockets for gearing . what i would like to see  now at 60 mph I am turning about 4100rpm's with a stock set up and 630 chain
 I would love to run at about 4100rpm's  or a bit lower at 70 mph. most of my riding is open roads and I want to do some long distance riding soon . at 70 now it is about 5100 rpm's
 do any of you have an idea what and were i can get sprockets that would do this as all I seam to find for the 77 k is stock tooth counts noting other . so help!
 any one done this before and if so how did the bike perform with them around town ( ya can not fully get away from that part of riding )
 like i said some thing i am looking into . the bike is stock right now but for the 4 into 1 on it and a foam air filter .
thanks ahead of time ya all

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2006, 03:53:55 PM »
You can buy a 530 conversion kit mate, and that's the best idea as 630's are expensive, heavy and unnecessary. Try an 18/44 tooth combination, but be prepared to change down to get up hills. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2006, 03:59:44 PM »
JT sprockets.
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2006, 04:38:34 PM »
www.bikebandit.com

They seem to have all sorts of different sized rear sprockets that do the 630-530 conversion and have 17 and 18 tooth 630-530 front sprockets.

Fronts are $22 or so, rears $35.

http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/productlist~section_dept_id~1170244~terrain_dept_id~1173059~cat_dept_id~2163981~product_dept_id~2164079~selection_Path~3.asp

I'm guessing that you can go with an o-ring chain given you're going to a 530 size.
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2006, 05:51:17 PM »
A question?
Why is it you want to lower the revs below  5100 rpms at 70?

My understanding is that these things were built to run at high rvs all day long. Hour after hour, day after day. ;D

My experience.......4000 hwy miles in 10 days last summer. No worries.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering what you are after? 175mph with luggage?

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2006, 07:04:20 PM »
It would seem running 20% less RPM would save quite a bit of gas.  If I was running highway all day, I'd certainly be interested in that!
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2006, 07:14:01 PM »
A question?
Why is it you want to lower the revs below  5100 rpms at 70?

My understanding is that these things were built to run at high rvs all day long. Hour after hour, day after day. ;D

My experience.......4000 hwy miles in 10 days last summer. No worries.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering what you are after? 175mph with luggage?

 well I am looking at trying to get a bit better mpg and to also lower the viberations as when at 5000 or more it sets up a high harmonic vib that hurts my hands a lot to were they go numb some times ( being some what disabled sucks let me tell you ) . I have a throttel lock  and cramp buster but need to do a bit more . I do not blast any were but to pass some one . just a slow old grandpa driver .
 also my thinking is that lower rpm's could also stress the motor less and add some longgevity to it .

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2006, 07:20:14 PM »
Just chatting. ;D

Just saw your post:
 Lower vibration would be valuable if you are getting to much. Any idea what if anything may be causing the undo vibration?

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2006, 10:15:09 PM »
Hi,
Just joined the group and have learned a lot from reading old posts.
I built a chopper with a CB750/4. It has 530 chain with 18tooth front and 32 tooth rear and 130/90x16 rear tire. Highway at 70 is somewhere around 3,500 (aftermarket tac which may be off slightly). I can run from Spokane to Seattle and back, down town Seattle driving included, and average 86 mpg.
I did worry that in town the rpm may be low enough that the oil pump couldn't keep up with the needs of the engine but that seems not to be an issue. Just pulled the engine apart after 8 years and about 80,000 miles. The amount of crud and metal in the pan would easily fit on the head of a pin. I believe less rpm=less engine wear.
The down side is that in town you are a little slow off the line until you get to about 15mph, then hold on. From 15 to 70 in low gear happens real fast!
You will also find that you will be in 4th gear for most hills and heavy head winds when on the highway.
What would be real nice would be some type of a two speed final. That way you could have both in town and highway gears.

BTW: What gas mileage do most CB750's get?
Thanks,
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2006, 10:22:52 PM »
Mileage wise is probably half of what you're reporting.
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2006, 11:57:46 PM »
Thanks all this is some good stuff
Right now I get about 40 miles to the gallon and want to improve that!
The vibs seam to come only at high rpms and nothing most would even think about including me when I was younger and riding 2 strokes only.
 Now days it just gets to me and I do not want to stop riding and getting a wing or something in that line is not in the books unless it was a trade. So want to do what I can to the yellow best for now. The bike has a bit over 50,000 miles and I would love to see it hit 100,000 with me on it  :)

Also the throttle is kind of hard for me now and seams to be getting harder. Every thing is lube up good and the cable is in good shape. I know the 77 had a big return spring in it for the way the carb rack is set up but besides bolt ons and paint I want to keep this thing as close to stoke as I can

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2006, 02:27:51 AM »
Hmmnnn................ Well, as much as the assumption here (so far) seems to be that running at much  lower RPM is some kind of cheap insurance for your engine, I beg to differ. Your bike was designed to perform at it's peak with standard gearing, so 4000 Rpm at 60 MPH is about right, give or take 500 RPM in either direction.

There is no evidence that I have seen to suggest that running your engine at lower revs will somehow preserve your engine, and I would argue that raising your gearing to the example that Ron has given us will only increase the wear to your clutch, primary drive and transmission, not to mention chain and sprockets, in fact, it'd be akin to constantly taking off from the lights in second or third gear. Try doing that a few times and imagine what that's doing to your bike. 70 MPH in first gear? Jeepers!

Now of course you don't want to run at the other extreme of the spectrum either, 60 Mph at 6000 or 7000 RPM would be a bit silly too on old bikes like ours , not to mention uncomfortable, but increasing your sprocket gearing per Ron's example is not good. To be fair to Ron, the final gearing ratio is reduced somewhat by the smaller rear wheel's OD, but it would still be a heck of a lot higher than what I would think would be safe over a long period, particularly if there was a lot of city riding involved.

I mentioned an 18/44 tooth combo in my earlier post, from memory that gave me about 3500 Rpm at 60 Mph, and that's about the highest I would go, as that would often necessitate a down change to maintain the momentum up a hill, particularly when carrying extra gear or a passenger, but I would think that unless you're heading to Bonneville for a land speed attempt over several miles, you wouldn't want to go much higher. Just my two cents worth, of course. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2006, 07:20:02 AM »
Hi,
Just joined the group and have learned a lot from reading old posts.
I built a chopper with a CB750/4. It has 530 chain with 18tooth front and 32 tooth rear and 130/90x16 rear tire. Highway at 70 is somewhere around 3,500 (aftermarket tac which may be off slightly). I can run from Spokane to Seattle and back, down town Seattle driving included, and average 86 mpg.
I did worry that in town the rpm may be low enough that the oil pump couldn't keep up with the needs of the engine but that seems not to be an issue. Just pulled the engine apart after 8 years and about 80,000 miles. The amount of crud and metal in the pan would easily fit on the head of a pin. I believe less rpm=less engine wear.
The down side is that in town you are a little slow off the line until you get to about 15mph, then hold on. From 15 to 70 in low gear happens real fast!
You will also find that you will be in 4th gear for most hills and heavy head winds when on the highway.
What would be real nice would be some type of a two speed final. That way you could have both in town and highway gears.

BTW: What gas mileage do most CB750's get?
Thanks,
   Ron
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2006, 07:24:43 AM »
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It has 530 chain with 18tooth front and 32 tooth rea

 :o  Wowy...where do you even get a 32 tooth rear?  41 is the smallest I've ever seen.

Regarding Terry's post, I would agree that for sure u'r putting more stress on the clutch with that low gearing.  As far as more stress on the primary or any other drive parts..hmm...not sure I would agree.  If Boom got 80K out of his mill, then it doesn't sound like there is any undue wear to me.

Regardless I must say I'm intrigued with the idea of getting 80+ miles per gallon.  Even if I would have to do a Fred Flinstone and get a running start at stop lights   ;D
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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2006, 08:05:52 AM »
>>>70 MPH in first gear? Jeepers<<<
Only did that twice and thought the engine was going to scatter itself.
Agreed that it seems it would be hard on the clutch. The rest of the drive train gets actually less torque. Yes, I must ride the clutch when starting out. About two years ago the clutch started slipping a bit when going into 4th under full load. Took it apart and found that the plates had a glaze on them most likely from riding the clutch. Cleaned them up with wire brush and all is well (also installed heavier springs).
When I went to this gearing I did have some concerns. One was about the oil pump not being able to keep up at low rpm. Another was that the engine would constantly be in a state of lugging. Another was that slipping the clutch could actually burn/break down the oil causing failure of other parts. So far there hasn't been any problems with the exception of glazed clutch plates.

I have tried a 36 tooth rear and may go back to it to see what the difference in mileage would be.
Would like to somehow lower the 1st gear ratio but just can't figure out how without some very expensive machine work.
My theory is that every time the engine makes one revolution there is a certain amount of natural wear. Less revolutions per mile should equal less natural wear.

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 12:08:43 AM »
Terry and the rest thanks . I was and am relying on the ones that have had these old bikes longer them my self . trying to learn for the old timers mistakes and wins so I do not have to repeat the bad parts but enjoy the good . I so far like Terry's call on what ones to use . but i also like the gas milage of boomologist  but then that would be Utopia right .any hoot still watching this as I have time to thin and ask before i do it . dang thats a new one for me I almost always do then ask ;)

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Re: Chain and sprokets
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2006, 10:13:49 AM »
My cb650sc has 43T rear,and 18 T front{530 chain} 
     It turns @ 5k at 70mph, and gets @ 51mpg
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2006, 10:59:01 AM »

 Lower vibration would be valuable if you are getting too much.

Tempting, tempting...

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2006, 11:54:33 AM »
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Lower vibration would be valuable if you are getting too much.

Tempting, tempting...

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