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Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« on: June 07, 2006, 03:01:27 PM »
I need to buy the 2 different bearing retainer wrenches used in the removal/installation of the front and rear wheel hubs on the Honda CB750.

Part # 07910-323101
Part # 07910-283000

New or used. I prefer to buy, but will give a large deposit for "loaner" status. These are of course discontinued and not available from Honda.

Replies appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 03:15:41 PM »
 I thought Kowa Seiki makes an adjustable pin wrench.
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2006, 05:09:26 PM »
I took the advice of many here and drilled out the 'dimples' where the threads were destroyed between the retainer and the hub.  Then used a $5.00 bicycle pin spanner to unscrew the retainers.  Wasn't difficult after I dealt with the thought of drilling into the threads like that.


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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 06:01:18 PM »
How did you get the retainer off that sits between the 2 drive-side bearings in the rear hub? This is so deep that we haven't found any way to loosen. Help needed!!
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 09:20:05 PM »
Make one sheesh

Buy a dremel. Cut one out of a piece of tubing with a hole drilled through the other end for a handle

We're talking 4 slots. Come on man.
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2006, 01:13:23 PM »
OK  Ilbikes, are you the guy  with whom I chatted the other day on the phone?  If it wasn't you, then it was someone else having the exact same problem.  I'm sorry I forgot who you are.

Either way, after I got off the phone I got inspired and decided to pull my front wheel bearings from a spare front end, just for the hell of it.  I took a few pictures that I hope will help with your efforts.  Each image is a link you can click to view a larger, more detailed image.

Also, just for your information, I believe that you have the incorrect part number up there for the Honda tool.  It appears that you left out a digit.  According to the information that I have, the correct number is 07910-3230101 (front wheel)



First things first.  I removed the wheel and looked at that bearing retainer nut.  What a bugger.  It is 44mm OD, or 1.75".    I thought about a few options and decided to just make my own tool.  I am fortunate enough to have a box of "reject tools."  You know, redundant or broken or bent ones.  I keep those so I can use them later for stuff like this.  I found a big old 1 1/4" socket.  It's OD is 1.68"  I think that a 1 3/8" or 1 1/2" might have been better, but I didn't have a spare sitting around.  This one really was a fine fit, and might have been better than a larger one.

Because the top of these sockets are beveled I first ground it flat so I would have nice sharp, square edges.  Next I took some wax paper and made an etching of the nut in the wheel.  I used this as a pattern on the socket.  Taking a Sharpie (permeant marker) I marked a rough pattern on the socket.  Then with a cut-off wheel I cut the "rough version" of the pattern into the socket.  Then I went back with my paper pattern and made more refined marks and made my final cuts.  This whole process took about 10 minutes.



Here is another image of the socket.  It's not perfect, but it worked just fine.  If I get inspred I might grind off the prongs and redo it a little more precisely.


This is the cut-off tool (hand grinder) I used.  Got it from Harbor Freight for about $10.00, and I use it all the time. 


Alright the next thing is actually getting the bearings out of the hub without damaging anything.  This is what the spacer between the bearings looks like.  One end is larger than the other.  I got a large (old) flat head screw driver and cammed (wedged) it into the middle of the spacer and then knocked it out with a hammer.  This left a bur in the spacer that I had to go back and dress.  It came out fairly easily for me.  The second one was even easier.  Just remember that the left side (disc brake side) has a lip in the hub that the bearing seats against, but the right side (speedo side) does not.  The end of the spacer with the shorter tabs is on the left side, and the longer tabs are on the right side.  That did not affect me in any way, but it is invisible until the bearings are out and good to know about.

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This is a somewhat "risky" method, but I just jammed the spacer over as far as it would go and used an old rusty swingarm bolt and a big hammer to do the dirty work.  Once the bearings are out you can reshape the spacer tangs and reassemble.   quietlikeachurch
I don't know it this is a good idea or not, but if you do try it, I would try to bend the tabs on the right side (speedo side) where they are longer.  Also the spacer can only come out from that side.   

Now that you know what the spacer looks like I am sure you will find the method that will work best for you.


One more pic of the spacer.

Total time, including making the tool = about 35 minutes.

I hope all that helps.  Sometimes all the unknowns are enough to make a job seem too hard to start.  Now you can see that this one really is not all that hard at all.

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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2006, 02:50:55 AM »
Hey thanks for the reply. It took as much time to post the result as make the tool. The 1/8" drill bit tip  really made life easier. I then was able to get small pieces of flat plat cut in the right length to span the grooves and I dressed the edges to be sharp, think of a "key". I then tightened the pieces in my vise, set the hubs on top of the 2 plates and turned with both hands while pushing down -it removed and replaced the retainers.

I'd still like to buy the tools. Anyone?

Thanks again for the input and effort to post.
Gordon
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2006, 09:54:43 AM »
Fang,

Thick head here.  ;D  Are you saying use the spacer to drive out the bearing...right
side first?  I don't see how anything that will clear the bearing hole will "wedge" in the
spacer?? If the right side bearing has no ridge inside why not drive it, the spacer, and the
left bearing from the right side until the left bearing falls out...then remove the spacer and
drive the right bearing back out the right from the left side....with the left bearing and
spacer now removed?  I guess I am missing the exact step to remove the "first bearing".  ???

Having never done it....I assume that the bearings are toast after this process.  :o

I built a very similar tool...but to remove the clutch retainer nut.  Sounds like a great idea for
the bearing retainers.

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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 12:13:21 AM »
Sorry to "bump" a post but no one replied to my last question. Which bearing
comes out first (disk or speedo drive) and what is one pounding the screwdriver
against.  Won't this flatten the bearings or do you just can them and put new ones
in?

Jim
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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2006, 08:20:49 AM »
1: Remove the retainer ring (this is where you need the special or improvised tool). This is on the speedo drive side as I recall.
2: Press, push, or pound the opposite (floating) bearing IN until the formerly retained bearing drops out. STOP pressing/pushing/pounding immediately. The bearing you're pushing on CAN drop into the center of the hub if you go too far, that would be nasty to get out again.
3: Flip the hub over and press/push/pund the remaining bearing out towards the outside. You push on the hub spacer, it won't come out through the retainer hole without bending the larger ears anyway.
Both bearings are now junk. Why would you remove them if you don't want to replace them anyway?

This doesn't work on rear wheels. The rear wheel hubs don't have a clear bore deep enough on the floating bearing side.

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Re: Tool Help Please - I Need To Find Bearing Retainer Tools
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2006, 12:03:51 PM »
Thanks...now I understand.  ;)

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