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Offline Frostyboy

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Buried treasure
« on: April 16, 2012, 05:54:10 AM »
I wonder if somewhere in the world there's a bunch of crates with new SOHC4s buried?
This guy is onto something, that's for sure.

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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 07:23:41 AM »
Rumor is they are buried on both sides of Hoffa.
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 01:28:24 PM »
That's pretty amazing if they turn out in decent shape.  Most of what get's found now has been shot down, crashed, often over water.  Paul Allen from Microsoft has the FW 190 found in a forest near Leningrad and it has been restored to flying condition.

FW190 found in forest clearing - Outside of Leningrad
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 01:41:38 PM »
Given enough money, you can make anything fly.. even a CB.  ;D
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 10:01:58 AM »
found the video and posted it to the previous post.

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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 12:12:16 PM »
Amazing story on the FW.
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 01:07:28 PM »
I talked to a WW2 Mustang pilot, he had shot down two 190's said they were a handfull when piloted by an experienced flier. His me109 victory was way easier. Interestingly, there were German planes built with rolls royce engines by spain after the war. I wonder how they performed?
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 03:53:06 PM »
Erich Hartmann shot down several P-51s while flying a 109. Like bikes, it's mostly down to the quality of the pilot.
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 04:18:34 PM »
I talked to a WW2 Mustang pilot, he had shot down two 190's said they were a handfull when piloted by an experienced flier. His me109 victory was way easier. Interestingly, there were German planes built with rolls royce engines by spain after the war. I wonder how they performed?


 The ME109 was better than the radial engine FW190 at high altitude but that changed with the FW190D model with the inline Jumo V12.  The 109 required a skilled pilot but in the hands of one it was deadly.  The three top aces in history all flew the 109 exclusively, Hartman 352, Barkhorn 301, and Rall 275 and they all survived the war.  One of the top Mustang killers, Bartels, also flew the 109.  Of his 99 victories 11 were P51's, 9 P47's, 14 P38's, and 9 Spitfires.  Even though it first flew in 1935  a 109 could hold it's own with a skilled pilot right up to 1945.  The post war Spanish built 109 did have Merlin engines but only because the Daimler Benz engines where no longer available.  It's not a great look for the 109 which is a better looking plane with it's inverted DB 605 engine.

This list is a bit of an eye opener.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »
Some planes still come out of Russia and the Ukraine.   Read a story awhile back about someone from Britain bringing out several Hawker Hurricanes.

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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM »
Oh man a Hawker Hurricane would be so cool.

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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 08:44:25 AM »
I read that one reason for the Axis high kill numbers was their pilots were there for life while allied pilots did get rotated back home. Those are some eye opening numbers, wow. We did start the war with some inferior aircraft, only hard learned tactics made them effective.
 



What is amazing is to see a plane like Glacier Girl come out of the ice, crushed and in pieces and then returned to flying condition. It must be mostly hand made. Even the ones brought from the bottom of a lake or crashed on a mountain.
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 09:03:46 AM »
T-34 pulled from a Russian swamp a few years ago.
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 09:54:31 AM »
A while back I had posted a longer video of the T34 and it showed them starting the engine later.  How much later I am not sure.  Etta krutta! ;D

The story was that it was captured and operated by the Germans (see markings) and probably driven into the swamp to dispose of (lack of fuel or parts?) by retreating troops in late 1944. 
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Re: Buried treasure
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 10:42:46 AM »
I read that one reason for the Axis high kill numbers was their pilots were there for life while allied pilots did get rotated back home. Those are some eye opening numbers, wow. We did start the war with some inferior aircraft, only hard learned tactics made them effective.

I just lifted this short paragraph below from a longer article about Georg-Peter Eder to illustrate your point.  Some pilots flew even 1000 missions.  Hans Ulrich Rudel flew 2500 mostly in the Stuka in a ground attack role.  When you think of the chance of accident or mechanical malfunction, aside from being shot at, to survive seems incredible. These stories are not well known as they fought on the "wrong" side and lost but they are typical of many, many pilots.  I think Hartmann was an exception never being shot down by another pilot but I believe he was brought down by ground fire more than once.  Stalin himself placed a reward on Rudel's head of 1000 rubels.  Nobody ever collected and Rudel survived the war.
    The Germans had a strict accounting method so the numbers are considered fairly accurate.

About Georg-Peter Eder
    Altogether he flew 572 combat missions of which 150 were with the Me 262. On the Eastern Front Eder scored 10 victories and on the Western Front 68, of which no less than 36 were four-engined bombers. With the Me 262 he scored at least 24 victories (most of them couldn`t be officially confirmed). He was the leading scorer against the four-engined bombers, although Eder himself was shot down 17 times, baling out 9 times. He was wounded 14 times.   He survived the war.

The heavily armed big bombers where considered to be a difficult and dangerous adversary.
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