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Offline Tamothy

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Amateur Carb Problems - Place yer Bets! *RESOLVED*
« on: April 18, 2012, 04:05:23 PM »
Prefice. . .this is only the fourth bike I have rebuilt carbs on, so I'm just learning.

1977 CB550F
I just rebuilt carbs: replaced gaskets, o-rings, cleaned jets and needles, set float height.  I also set valve lash and routed new fuel lines with filter.  Bench-sync'd rack and new throttle cables, too. . .
When I turned the fuel on, man were those bowls hungry!  I soon realized that Carb #1 and #2 were flowing fuel from the brass overflow tube coming out of the bottom of the bowls.  #3 and #4 were not, but I then realized this was due to the fact of the fuel line routing:  as you know, the T connector that splits the fuel line into two fuel lines leading to 1&2 and 3&4, is on the 1&2 side of center and (in my case) a little lower than the highest apex of line for 3&4.  So, if the float valve is not stopping fuel on the 1&2, there will be no pressure to feed 3&4.  So, I crimped off line to 1&2 to feed 3&4 with fuel.  This worked, but then 3&4 also started flowing a steady stream of fuel from their overflow tubes. 
Before I rebuilt the carbs, fuel was reaching the bowls and not overflowing: float valves worked.  During rebuild, I replaced o-ring on float valve seat and cleaned float needle.  I used worn out 800 grit paper to smooth pathetic-looking hinge pins and washed them.  I set float height w/ metric ruler, checking both floatants to ensure level.  I measured when the tab was just touching the needle, but not depressing spring.  I measured from surface of carb body in which float bowl seats to apex of float.  I set all at 22mm.

I believe carbs are 069A. . .is that correct for this model or am I forgetting?  Float valve needles are all metal, no rubber tips.

So, before I pull these off and open them up again and scratch my noggin'.....
Anyone think they KNOW what went wrong?  Because I don't!

I routed the single fuel line under intake #1, so it goes below the bowl on its travels to the T joint.

Thanks!

« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 09:33:02 AM by Tamothy »
Current Bikes:

'76 XL350 - just picked it up, will be my forest road/camping machine
'77 CB550F - going to get it top-notch, like ride across the country top-notch, like it is 1980 and it has 12k miles with a loving, original owner
'82 CB900F - my (sometimes) daily rider

'74 RD350 - 6k miles, straight out of a barn, waiting for restoration

These old bikes are teaching me a big boat load!  I love 'em!

Offline Accolay

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Re: Amateur Carb Problems - Place yer Bets!
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 04:46:11 PM »
Did I read about this once where the floats were installed upside down or something? Is that even possible? Maybe I'm thinking about something else...
1977 CB550F

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Re: Amateur Carb Problems - Place yer Bets!
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 04:52:34 PM »
Definitely that has crossed my mind. . .
Going to pull 'em now. . .
Current Bikes:

'76 XL350 - just picked it up, will be my forest road/camping machine
'77 CB550F - going to get it top-notch, like ride across the country top-notch, like it is 1980 and it has 12k miles with a loving, original owner
'82 CB900F - my (sometimes) daily rider

'74 RD350 - 6k miles, straight out of a barn, waiting for restoration

These old bikes are teaching me a big boat load!  I love 'em!

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Offline Tamothy

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Re: Amateur Carb Problems - Place yer Bets! *RESOLVED*
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 09:42:18 AM »
Took the rack off last night and removed the bowls.  Float height was correct at 22mm.  Hmmm. . .I think to myself. . .

So, with the #1 bowl off I turn the rack right side up (as it would be on the bike) to see how it would function like that.  And there it is!  The dang float assembly is getting hung up and won't move upwards, rather is stuck completely open.  The problem: the bend on ALL of my tabs which contact valve needle are bent with a big radius.  When the float falls all the way open, it wedges the tab against the float needle tang and pushes against the side instead of on top.  So, it wouldn't go anywhere.  I removed all float assembly and reshaped tab so that the contact point would be a flat surface.  I set the height to 22mm.  I did a bench test on #1 and #2 last night and they did not overflow.  I put carbs back on bike, reconnected throttle cables, and hooked fuel line up to tank.  Opened the petcock, gas flowed to carbs and did not overflow. 

The reason my initial bench set-up did not expose this problem is because I did not let the float assembly fall completely open, letting the float needle drop its furthest out of the seat.  Next time this will certainly be one of the things I check while overhauling carbs.

I adjusted the fuel line lengths a little bit and am much happier with the slight change.

Going to get a plate tomorrow, battery today. . .and will be running it up and down the road!
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 09:45:03 AM by Tamothy »
Current Bikes:

'76 XL350 - just picked it up, will be my forest road/camping machine
'77 CB550F - going to get it top-notch, like ride across the country top-notch, like it is 1980 and it has 12k miles with a loving, original owner
'82 CB900F - my (sometimes) daily rider

'74 RD350 - 6k miles, straight out of a barn, waiting for restoration

These old bikes are teaching me a big boat load!  I love 'em!