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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2014, 07:14:39 AM »
Make that an '84


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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2014, 07:55:24 AM »
My neighbor is looking at a '83 V65 Mag.  It has the 2nd hear pop-out under load issue. He sayz it stays in as long as you don't get on it hard.

Is that a deal breaker, price negotiation point?  Can the cam issue/fix kit be detected without significant test-down?

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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2014, 08:05:15 AM »
It has the 2nd hear pop-out under load issue. He sayz it stays in as long as you don't get on it hard.

Is that a deal breaker, price negotiation point? 

It would be for me.  It will only get worse.
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2014, 10:27:03 AM »
I've wanted a V45 Sabre since they first came out. A fraternity brother of mine bought a VF750 Interceptor. I had a chance to get it out on the flat 2 lane road through the farm fields in Central Illinois. Hit an indicated 135. The engine was smooth and powerful.

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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2014, 01:34:58 PM »
I had the first year VFR750F 1986'. I bought it used and just kept improving the performance items on it to make it more of a racer.I rode it all the way from MA. to Denver,CO. and back and loved it the whole way.That engine and powerband on the 86'-87' VFR700F's is much stronger 'Up Top'(past 7K rpm) than the later model VFR's.I'd love to find someone who raced them back in 86' and see if I could get a complete HRC factory race kit for the 86' VFR ! I still have the Big Bore 840cc High Performance engine w/ 600 break-in miles I built in my storage in the crate;I needed to sell the bike at the time but put the stock engine back in but didn't want to let go of all that $ I put into the new engine just yet.That was a few years ago and I think now I'll sell it the best way I can.I also had VF500F Interceptors and love'em;I certainly miss my 1986' model !  8)
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2014, 01:37:59 PM »
Does anyone know what the v65 and vf750 ran in the quarter?


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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2014, 01:54:53 PM »
A lot of those high power engines back then and even now have second gear issues. I have one that I'm riding that is good in second up to about 3/4 throttle then it starts popping in and out of gear. The only fix is to replace the gear/entire transmission which is a job. I've replaced engines and I've replaced transmissions, its easier to replace the entire engine with one that you know has a good gearbox.

The 84 sabre was really the fastest of the V65 models. It actually ran about .2 seconds faster (IIRC about 10.65 with Peewee Gleason in the saddle) than the magna time that's in the Guinness book. It has a little hotter cams and larger exhaust tubes. If you do end up replacing the transmission, send the good one off to have the dogs undercut.

Is a bad second gear a deal breaker, not necessarily. I wouldn't give someone more than about $1000-1200 for a bike in excellent shape with an engine in that condition. An low to average condition bike with a bad second is little more than a parts bike. You will never experience the thrill of the acceleration if you cant redline it in all gears.

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I had the first year VFR750F 1986'. I bought it used and just kept improving the performance items on it to make it more of a racer.I rode it all the way from MA. to Denver,CO. and back and loved it the whole way.That engine and powerband on the 86'-87' VFR700F's is much stronger 'Up Top'(past 7K rpm) than the later model VFR's.I'd love to find someone who raced them back in 86' and see if I could get a complete HRC factory race kit for the 86' VFR ! I still have the Big Bore 840cc High Performance engine w/ 600 break-in miles I built in my storage in the crate;I needed to sell the bike at the time but put the stock engine back in but didn't want to let go of all that $ I put into the new engine just yet.That was a few years ago and I think now I'll sell it the best way I can.I also had VF500F Interceptors and love'em;I certainly miss my 1986' model !  8)
You still have that engine? Unfortunately, as you know, that engine is going to be a hard sell. The guy I know that races them said that he cant use that engine because of the displacement. I'm sure it is a screamer. Good luck with the sale.
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2014, 06:00:40 PM »
Hi Magnaman
It's good to hear from you   8).
I wondered if you're still in Lexington ? I've just never figured out the correct sequence of actions to go ahead w/ my sale of that Built Up VFR engine of mine.I have it sleeping in a strong and protected wooden box in my storage just waiting for me to figure out the best thing to do with it. I'd like to find a roller to install it into for cheap...

                                    Again,good to hear from you,

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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2014, 06:50:52 PM »
Hi Magnaman
It's good to hear from you   8).
I wondered if you're still in Lexington ? I've just never figured out the correct sequence of actions to go ahead w/ my sale of that Built Up VFR engine of mine.I have it sleeping in a strong and protected wooden box in my storage just waiting for me to figure out the best thing to do with it. I'd like to find a roller to install it into for cheap...

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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2014, 07:54:09 PM »
Hi Magnaman
It's good to hear from you   8).
I wondered if you're still in Lexington ? I've just never figured out the correct sequence of actions to go ahead w/ my sale of that Built Up VFR engine of mine.I have it sleeping in a strong and protected wooden box in my storage just waiting for me to figure out the best thing to do with it. I'd like to find a roller to install it into for cheap...

                                    Again,good to hear from you,

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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2014, 09:19:26 AM »
Does anyone know what the v65 and vf750 ran in the quarter?


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The V45s ran in the mid 12s. A true street V65 will probably, realistically run 11.5 to 12. The sub 11 second runs were done by Peewee Gleason on slightly modified bikes. He ran the magna at 10.84 and the sabre about 10.65. Yes the 84 sabre was the fastest of the stock V4s.
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2014, 10:06:35 AM »
They don't need too much tweakin to give'em lot's more HP Magnaman  ;D
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2014, 12:32:22 PM »
Those carbs look like a bytch to work on. Any tips?
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2014, 01:24:10 PM »
They can be difficult to remove if you have hard,old rubber intake boots/manifolds;I've had to almost completely remove the upper clamps(or just take the screw out)to slide some carbs in or out on some folks bikes..they'res a 'knack' to it.
That's the only issue I've ever had w/ the carbs;once they're out, no problem.
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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2014, 01:48:19 PM »
I've been toying with the idea of wrapping the rubber boots with a soft cloth, saturating with wintergreen oil, and then wrapping/sealing that with some thick plastic.  Then wait a day or two for them to soften.

I haven't tried it yet.  But, I will eventually when I get to it.
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2014, 02:16:55 PM »
I've been toying with the idea of wrapping the rubber boots with a soft cloth, saturating with wintergreen oil, and then wrapping/sealing that with some thick plastic.  Then wait a day or two for them to soften.

I haven't tried it yet.  But, I will eventually when I get to it.

TT,
I know it's been a while since this thread of yours was active..;did you actually purchase that V65 Sabre ?
I like your idea of doing that 'Wintergreen oil(the real stuff)Wrap' to initially remove the carbs so you won't take the chance of tearing the one pr. that have the most stress on them during removal.I'd soak'em in a Wintergreen/water solution that's been heated up good for a bit to really get them nice and soft later before carb. re-install. I did a pr. of rock hard rubber manifolds that a few years ago and they've never reverted back to that hard state since. The softening effects do last  8)
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2014, 02:17:58 PM »
The carbs are just one of the things you learn some tricks to make it easier. It's not as bad as you've been made to think. I used the wintergreen soak on the carb boots last set of carbs and they went on like butter.

Any bike has certain quirky things you have to deal with. The real trick, since parts are getting harder to get, is to not tear up what you have. Slow and patient is my secret.

Bill, what "tweekin" are you talking about? The 83 carbs for a magna are the ones to have. Its been reported they give about 5 extra ponies over the later models. The EPA got involved and honda went to a leaner mixture after 83. I've upgraded the final drive with different gears, its got a kevlar clutch, undercut transmission, polished and ported heads and a K&N air filter. I'm not wanting to go to a different headder/exhaust system just because I like the original 4-2 look. If you have any other ideas, let me know.
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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2014, 02:36:55 PM »
The carbs are just one of the things you learn some tricks to make it easier. It's not as bad as you've been made to think. I used the wintergreen soak on the carb boots last set of carbs and they went on like butter.

Any bike has certain quirky things you have to deal with. The real trick, since parts are getting harder to get, is to not tear up what you have. Slow and patient is my secret.

Bill, what "tweekin" are you talking about? The 83 carbs for a magna are the ones to have. Its been reported they give about 5 extra ponies over the later models. The EPA got involved and honda went to a leaner mixture after 83. I've upgraded the final drive with different gears, its got a kevlar clutch, undercut transmission, polished and ported heads and a K&N air filter. I'm not wanting to go to a different headder/exhaust system just because I like the original 4-2 look. If you have any other ideas, let me know.

Magnaman,
The 'tweakin' I was thinking about is a guy can take a stock engine & improve a bit on the compression, porting and camshafts.I imagine it would take a V-Four Honda R&D(or Racer/builder) guru to redesign a nice 'street' exhaust system to match the rest of your performance mods... I guess stock will be the best to keep,you just would have to 'turn it on' slower so the mufflers would keep up  ;D
Do you have the 83' (I didn't know they were the best ones)Magna carbs. installed ? How about a jetting kit ?
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« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2014, 03:29:03 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2014, 04:25:06 PM »
TT,
I know it's been a while since this thread of yours was active..;did you actually purchase that V65 Sabre ?

No. He wanted top dollar for it, and it was in need of major restoration with some fairing pieces missing.  It wasn't even a running bike.  It sat out in the California sun over a year.
I waited for him to come down in price.  Which he eventually did, but then someone else bought it before I learned his price was lowered.
Oh Well.  Probably too much bike for me anyway.  And, I don't have a place to put it! ;D
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2014, 04:37:34 PM »

Mine is an 83, my sabre is an 84 and I also ride a 84 1000F. The sabre is bone stock other than a kevlar clutch and 3.40 final drive gears. The 1000F has 1000R carbs on it which is supposed to be like the 83 carbs are to the magnas.  From what I understand, jetting ends up leaning out the mid and richen (if that's a word) the upper rpms. There's a man named Dave Dodge that worked for RC Engineering in the 70s to mid 80s that I've spoken with many times. He says that unless I plan on racing, stock jets are really the best all around size.
Kerker use to make a 4-1 exhaust, I think MAC still does. Lazer made a nice looking 4-2 headder but just receintly they quit manufacturing it.
Other performance mods for the V4s get into big bucks and I'm not interested in sinking that kind of money into an engine. Even to add 20 horsepower to a V4 still leaves you way behind the other performance bikes out there. My bikes are as fast as I care to make them.

So to get off the tangent,
restoring a sabre is usually because you just like the bike. They don't bring the money that a magna gets so you can easily put more time and money into than it's worth. The saying around the V4hondabbs is, if a running sabre doesn't have gauges or has a bad second gear, its worth about the same as a non running sabre with gauges or a good second gear. The magnas can still be worth the time and effort. The nice, and I mean nice ones, can bring 3-4K. One that needs some work and is so-so cosmetically with a good engine may be worth it. If its cosmetically challenged and has a bad engine, you either want a project that you plan to keep or its an anchor.

Nice sabres can be had all day for $1500-$2000 if you're willing to travel a bit. Faring pieces are getting extremely hard to find. To take the faring off you need the original mounting parts for the headlight, horns and fusebox. The original parts aren't too hard to get.
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2014, 07:46:06 PM »
Magnaman,
I'd like to know if you can tell me what the Magna's and Sabre's are like w/ handling;I know they're more cruiser styled so I would guess they're best suited for long distance straight-line cruising.
Do the V65 Magna's handle as good as a V45 Magna ? Have you ever ridden a VF1000R ? How about the VF1000F & Sabre's for handling ? How do they differ ?
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« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2014, 11:56:20 AM »
I've ridden almost all of the v4s over the years. I've only ridden a couple modern sport bikes. I have ridden an ST1300 a few miles and it started to rain so I cut that ride short. Let me just say, the V4s handle pretty well but you have to keep in mind that they weigh 600+ pounds and the brakes are marginal compared to todays' equipment.

Magna vs Sabre - the physical handling of these bikes is pretty close. The real difference is in the seating position. Sitting a little more forward gives me more of a sense of control. The magna's laid back seating is comfortable but I like to be up more during the spirited parts. The ground clearance is about the same for both bikes, its good but they aren't sport bikes. They do have a lot more clearance than most V2s and lots more power than they do. The low end torque is where I can stay with most sport riders. They don't use the rpms like their bikes were designed. Like I said, the brakes are sufficient but not up to today's standards. You can lock the front wheel if you squeeze hard enough. Both bikes are great highway/mileage crunching machines.

V65 vs V45 - Honestly, the V45/700 is a better handling machine than its big brother merely from a gross weight/braking standpoint. The front brakes are about the same but the V45 is about 125-150lbs less. The rear brake is a drum that doesn't provide a lot of stopping power. I've owned several 700 sabres over the years. I can't prove it but I think I could stay with/close to a V65 in the twisties on a 700. Once the road straightens its no contest.

Magna/Sabre vs Interceptor - I've not ridden an interceptor newer than an 86 so take that for my source of info. I just got a 1000F running a couple months ago and haven't had much time on the swervy roads. Ground clearance is about the same as the sabre, acceleration is about the same (stock sprockets), braking about the same. Turning is where the real difference is. With a 16" front wheel the bike feels like its about to fall over in a corner. Give it more throttle and it blows right through without a hiccup. I had to remove the centerstand for the additional ground clearance.
One thing I discovered is that hard cornering on the ceptor and giving it gas may cause parts to scrape. The sabre is a little different. I think the difference is the lash/suspension movement on a shaft vs chain drive. There is a noticeable rise in the suspension on a shaft where the rear squats with a chain.

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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2014, 01:42:31 PM »
Thanks Magnaman  :) How about the difference between the VF1000F  & the 'R' ?
is it basically the same geometry/frame ?  I'd much rather tour on a big V4 than a GL..,just my preference  ;)
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Re: V65 Sabre info-Worth reviving?
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2014, 09:57:18 PM »
Pretty impressive resurrecting an eight year old thread like it was posted yesterday  8)

 Personally I still hate the V-4's  ;D
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