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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2012, 06:51:02 PM »
It FIRED UP! But with problems! Video coming

And here's the video

http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t467/goldarrow/F2660266-245B-45E8-B9BE-8BB446109357-304-0000000623BA93A4.mp4

Problems
- have to twist throttle open to start up
- bike won't stay idle, keep revving throttle
- cyl. 1 and 4 is cold, 2 and 3 is hot
- backfire, once,when turn off key
- oil came out of cam cover cap on let side
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #226 on: November 17, 2012, 10:33:35 PM »
Check for spark at 1&4
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #227 on: November 18, 2012, 12:59:14 AM »
you can't fix that with a hammer...you've got electrical problems :)
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #228 on: November 18, 2012, 07:08:37 AM »
Sounds like a bad coil, bad connection, and/or points need adjusting (if you run points).   

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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #229 on: November 18, 2012, 08:32:15 AM »
Hooray !  Excellent! You are sooo close to having a classic 550, that you rebuilt and have proof of what went into it , to be riding about soon. This first fire was a real success,now you know what it does and what it doesn't do, and that makes it allot easier to diagnose .
 Don't worry about an idle just yet ,because you have no fire in 1+4, fix that and see how close to idle it may be, but it will only be semi close because  if it could , it would be rough until you get sync'd. The main thing is that 1+4 spark issue for sure.
   O rings on the cam cover , hopefully . Sounds like you're well on your way.
Thanks for the video.
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #230 on: November 18, 2012, 10:45:17 AM »
goldarrow, Congrats! That's a great start now just some fine tuning and you'll be on the road. 
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1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #231 on: November 18, 2012, 11:28:39 AM »
Thanks guys. It was a mix of good and bad feeling last night. My younger boy's birthday. My buddy came over and he helped me with taking the video. Took about 5-10 min. both kick and electric starts. It finally ran but won't stay on. I thought it wouldn't run at all. But happy after all :) the stock exhaust sounds really good when I rev on the throttle!

Will check the sparks later on when I get a chance.
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« Reply #232 on: November 18, 2012, 06:04:03 PM »
Got a chance to check the sparks. May be there weren't sparks on 1 and 4, both plugs look new and clean.

Cut off tip of wires and put cap back on, checked for sparks, beautiful blue sparks.

Checked fuel in float bowls 1 and 4, opened drain screws and gas dip out right away.

So, fire and fuel are good, i think.

The bike idles, on choke, for short time

Cylinders 1 and 4 now only just a bit warm.

http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t467/goldarrow/D2DEC35C-6CAF-4E41-93D4-AAF8045F11DC-2707-0000011CBBAA608E.mp4
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #233 on: November 18, 2012, 07:19:08 PM »
Does that motor sound like it's hammering in person? Don't panic, It could just be the video . Just checking.
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #234 on: November 18, 2012, 07:21:48 PM »
double check that idle jets aren't plugged...you can do it on 1 and 4 without pulling the carbs, but it takes some finesse, delicacy, and a really short phillips head screwdriver for the float bowls.  Also, I would suggest checking the fuel level in the bowls via the clear tube method.  You know you have fuel in there, but is it enough?, high enough level in the bowls?
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1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #235 on: November 18, 2012, 08:13:46 PM »
Just dropped #1 bowl, half filled with gas. Turn on petcock to check gas flow fine. Jets are not clogged. Now trouble with o-ring putting bowl back on

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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #236 on: November 18, 2012, 08:31:20 PM »
I don't know the 550 carbs as well but that fuel level looks pretty low to me.  Remember the fuel level has to be high enough to submerge the idle jet or that cylinder isn't gonna get any gas.  For that bowl gasket put some dabs of superglue in the corners of the groove and glue the gasket right in there.
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #237 on: November 19, 2012, 10:03:15 AM »
Grats Goldarrow I have enjoyed watching you on this build start to finish.Your documentation has been excellent and will help other people who are starting to do this for the first time.

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1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #238 on: November 19, 2012, 01:47:57 PM »
Oh my crap! She starts right up! And idles! 1 and 4 are getting hotter now

Video coming

and here's the video


dropped float bowls on both 1 and 4, bowl 1 was half full of gas, bowl 4 was full.  adjusted the float heights on both.  tried starting up again, same symtoms as the before. 

i also remembered the connections at the coils were kind of finnicky so i jiggling with the connections.  tried start it up again, and viola! she runs! 

« Last Edit: November 19, 2012, 03:02:14 PM by goldarrow »
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #239 on: November 19, 2012, 03:13:19 PM »
Hooray!   8)

Congratulations.  Time for a beer.
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #240 on: November 19, 2012, 05:00:55 PM »
You are better than you think!
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« Reply #241 on: November 19, 2012, 05:58:07 PM »
Had to drop #4 bowl again as I had fuel over flow. Got that fixed.

Cyl. 1 and 4 still cold.

Also was able to use strobe light this afternoon to see timing mark. Tried again just now, no strobes action.

Also now rear brake light doesn't come on when hit the brake.

All This have me scratching my head.

Can I assume bad coil on 1-4?
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #242 on: November 19, 2012, 06:07:25 PM »
Coils rarely go bad, bad connection?  Do you have new plugs, and did you check spark on 1&4?
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #243 on: November 19, 2012, 06:36:54 PM »
Thoroughly enjoying your SENCHA project, goldarrow. Way to stick to it! Good luck on the job hunt and call backs!

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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #244 on: November 19, 2012, 09:01:01 PM »
Goldarrow,
  Have you tried a test light on the wires leading up to the coil (yellow and blue)?Ground one end of the testlight ,put the probe in the yellow,ignition on, turn the motor over, do the same on the bue . If it's all good going up to the coil, the problem is at the coil or after the coil. Try removing a cap on #1 and #4, place a good spark plug in the cap and lay the threads on some clean grounded engine metal , like the new Allen head screw on the top of the motor. do not hang onto the plug or the wire, turn kill switch to run position,turn key on position,poke the starter button and see if that spark plug sparks. If it doesn't spark, switch spark plug caps  with #2 or #3 and see if the extra spark plug sparks with that cap on it , if it does , its the caps .If it doesn't the problem is in the coil. Did you change the caps? Are they resistor or nonresistor type?
  You can use the testlight just before the brakelight to see if there is power going to the switch. If there is activate the switch by pulling down on it and see if power is going through it at the connections under the seat over the rear fender. If that is good remove the tail lens and , inspect bulb,remove the bulb, apply brake and probe the 2 lead dots . if they don't light up , ohm meter the ground, then the wires from the connections over the rear fender to the lead dots. You should find the problem somewhere along this path.
  A ways back , you mentioned issues with the blinkers, same test as brakelight except you use the blinkers ,not the brake. If there is no power where you start , check the fuse,fuse box connections- still no power remove the fusebox and check the wiring behind it for damage.the wires are tight beneath the panel , sometimes damage or corrosion has occurred. Repair and recheck all electrical devices to make sure they operate properly. It's a cakewalk really,don't sweat it and you'll find the problems.
  The new video sounds better.           RB
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #245 on: November 19, 2012, 09:20:50 PM »
Thanks guys for the comments. I also read many posts that coil rarely go bad. So I'll check elsewhere, and along that path. But just now before i call it for the night, pipes 1 and 4 feels more warmer than earlier. So sparks are there. I pulled the plugs earlier today and they sparks. I was able to set timing on 2-3 with strobe light. Changed to 1-4, no strobe actions.

Spark plugs are new, caps are re-use

Can I swap blue and yellow wires at the coils?

I'm using dyna s ignition, by the way, could it be a faulty unit? I bought it used. There's one on feebay now with bad 1-4 module.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2012, 10:10:02 PM by goldarrow »
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1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND IT FIRED UP!
« Reply #246 on: November 20, 2012, 11:14:44 AM »
BIG accomplishment this morning! But some losses at the same time. All of it for rushing.  Urghhhh.....do not rush!

Last night, I had an idea of swapping back on my old school point. So, this morning, had a few minutes before dropping older son to school, swapping the points and plates and forgetting to put the bolt and lock but back on, kicked the bike couple of times, won't start, along with the cracking noise....and here's the results

Bent plate


Crack and bent advancer


Good thing I have a spare set in my parts cabinet.

All 4 fired and hot!  #1 is smoking white smoke now!

By the way, why exhaust #3 is dripping water by the tiny drain hole?  I assume it's condensation, but wouldn't that be all 4 pipes?


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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND SHE FIRED UP ALL 4 BANGERS!
« Reply #247 on: November 20, 2012, 03:25:24 PM »
I swear one problem right after another!  Adjusted points and timing, no more smoke and start right up! Now there's a problem with clicking sound coming from top left of engine by the cam cover cap.  or it's just me imagine things.



Other than the clicking sound, I presume It's ready for a quick road test around the block.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2012, 03:30:38 PM by goldarrow »
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND SHE FIRED UP ALL 4 BANGERS!
« Reply #248 on: November 20, 2012, 05:25:05 PM »
Put a mile on her, AND she RUNS BEAUTIFULLY! WOT to 5000 rpm and power! No smoke! Left blinker works also.

Boy, I'm happy  ;D
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Re: 1975 cb550 Project SENCHA - AND SHE FIRED UP ALL 4 BANGERS!
« Reply #249 on: November 20, 2012, 06:09:26 PM »
Sweet goldarrrow that is great to hear, all that hard work and worrying paid dividends.
So is this going to be your rider or is for sale and on to the next project?  Congrats again and enjoy!

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