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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2012, 05:25:37 AM »
Looks like those parts are polishing up nicely.  However, from a truly "original" look, from my memory of the actual era, the finish on those aluminum/alloy parts was more like what your parts originally look before you polished them.  They weren't originally a "mirror" finish but rather a had a dull aluminum look, similar to what a painted surface would have.  But, they do look nice all polished.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2012, 07:36:56 AM »
That's why a friend dubbed me "Magpie". If I can make it shiny I will and I'm sure to hear more about it from those more knowledgeable than me. It's just part of the territory. Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2012, 10:01:27 AM »
Del at Vintage Connections has the silevr/grey sleeving for the wiring.
Nice project, I just pieced together an old C110 at work for the boss over the last few years(I ran into no problems with stuff from Thailand/shipping took longer though)
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2012, 07:41:04 PM »
It's a bit late now but for future reference, to seperate bullet type electrical connectors I give them a firm squeeze using pliers, turn ninety degrees and give another squeeze. This 'cracks' the corrosion and they then come part easily.
A note here. The ignition switch and main wire harness are different to the CA due to the CA not having indicators.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #129 on: August 22, 2012, 09:33:20 PM »
Thanks krusty! i did eventually use some Release and a fine pair of needle nose pliers to separate the connectors. I came close to messing them up.
Thank you too mrrch.
Cheers, Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #130 on: August 24, 2012, 03:14:06 AM »
Quote from: krusty on August 20, 2012, 05:15:43 AM
The CA95 carb has what is called a 'Power Jet' that the C95 carb does not have. I recall asking an early Honda guru (it may have been Troyce Walls) about this and he (if it was him) told me that the power jet made no discernable difference to performance.

The Power Jet Carb plays a much bigger part in the performance of the motor than some would have you beleive.
For example, if you were to put the Power Jet carb onto a C95, you wouldn't notice the difference.
On the other hand, if you were to put a C95 carb onto a CA95 motor, it would feel as flat as a pancake at the top end.
The power jet works in conjunction with the CA95s cam to help the motor breath at the extra revs that are available from useing this sports cam.

Sam. ;)
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 03:16:02 AM by SamCR750A »
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #131 on: August 25, 2012, 04:39:06 AM »
Here are the HP figures from Honda.
C92   11.5 @ 9,500
CB92 15.0 @ 10,500
C95   13.5 @ 9,500
CA95 16.5 @ 10,000
So I believe you are correct Sam in that the Power jet together with the cam makes a big difference. I think that later CAs may have the CB92 camshaft?
I would have loved to have built up a hotter C95 by using CA95 parts but we didn't get the CA version here in OZ and, due to weight, shipping parts over is too costly. I still have a Project C95  (Australia Export model) Ag bike in the shed which I may never get round to now that my 750s are taking up my time.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #132 on: August 27, 2012, 01:01:51 AM »
Krusty, you should be able to find the parts nearer home to improve the performance of your C95.
Plenty pistons on Ebay in the far East. You could also ask on here for a cam and carb,  http://www.fourwheelforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 but make sure you get the late model cam. The profile is the same but it don't have the tach worm and will go straight into your C95 head.
The early CA95 had the same cam as the CB92 and CB95.
In some of the later CB92s, the power was upped to 16bhp by the use of pistons with the higher dome as in the race kit.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2012, 10:20:53 AM »
I thought I found a replacement C95 piston but they sent me a CA95 so I have one of each. I need one C95 or CA95 to make a pair, in standard size - anyone have a spare to sell? Thanks, Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #134 on: August 28, 2012, 02:22:53 PM »
What are the obvious visual differences between the two?
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2012, 02:35:35 PM »
The CA95 has a higher head/top for higher compression and a longer skirt than the C95 and it says CA95 on it.  :D  Cliff.
I had a fellow at this site "The Honda CA95 / Benly 150 Restoration" offer me one with the pin and clips for $30 including postage. I responded that I'm in Canada and haven't heard back yet. Since the CA95 "wrong one" cost $12, the 2 for $42 doesn't seem bad.  Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #136 on: August 30, 2012, 04:18:43 PM »
Thailand eBay seller, petereyclassic, didn't help me out very much.
I ordered a set of standard rings, received them with a strange number on the box, sent an email asking about that, no response, had a much closer look at the rings, one is broken and with 2 sets of reading glasses on discovered a mix of 25 over and unmarked rings. Well kick me in the ass! I have sent another email over but it's past the 3 day return and I'm here and he's there. The seller is peterreyclassic. He has lots of positive feedback, I need to change mine to negative. My bad for not checking closer sooner.
I'll report any response I get back - if any comes.
Cliff.
Update: this is the email I sent,
The "standard size" rings I purchased from you appear to be a mixture of 25 over and standard rings plus one is broken. I should have looked closer but I trusted you. So much for trusting a person I guess. So, can you send me a good set of standard sized rings? Cliff.

This is the email I just received back,
Hi Thanks for the bidding. I am sorry  in the problem.  I mistake to check the ring. I sent NPR ring size std to you. Thank you very much. Peter

So, now to wait and see what happens. I have little patience with poor customer service however he has responded. So....
Cliff.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2012, 07:38:07 PM by Magpie »
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #137 on: August 30, 2012, 08:13:39 PM »
Cliff, I hope things work out.
check with Ohio Cycle, they are a good supplier and have some Honda and lots of aftermarket parts and a decent selection if their catelog is anywhere close to up to date.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #138 on: August 31, 2012, 05:19:17 AM »
If things don't work out with Thailand I still have a genuine STD set. I'm almost certain I have a piston too., will check in the morning.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #139 on: September 11, 2012, 12:04:44 AM »
Have the parts reached you yet?

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #140 on: September 11, 2012, 06:29:36 AM »
Not yet Sam. Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2012, 08:48:40 AM »
Oh yes they have. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2012, 11:46:15 AM »
Yep! Now for some sanding and painting. Thanks again Sam! Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #143 on: November 05, 2012, 09:41:46 PM »
Got a little bit more done. Still dragging my feet looking for a CA95 piston, really more looking for a deal to match the nos one I got for $12 - just being a cheap bastard I guess. I got more of the bike stripped down and realizing that this thing is in really bad shape. I going to have to learn to do some metal/body work. The 750's looked easy compared to this one. Anyway, onwards and upwards or is it Forward? Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2012, 09:45:05 PM »
Finally, some action ;D ;D
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2012, 12:15:27 AM »
Funny how life can toss any plans or intensions out the window.
Does Olypen have any more pistons?
Maybe they have restocked?

Greggo, double entendre intended or day-dreaming? :D
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2012, 08:34:41 AM »
I've lost my enthusiasm for a lot of things lately and have to push myself to do stuff. Puttering on this one is kind of therapy. Olypen doesn't have any more pistons. There's one on ebay for about $60 with shipping but it's very important to watch my cash flow carefully right now. Things will change in time as they always do and I'll be off and running again. I have an annual vintage bike meet and greet in my yard in may so it will be ready for that. It's a great time. The first was a "see what happens", the second a great time and larger 2012 Meet and Greet - the movie.  Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #147 on: November 08, 2012, 05:29:45 PM »
Hooray, piston on it's way. $33 shipped for a new one (I think) from Apex Cycles in Bellingham, http://www.apexcycle.com/index.htm
Cliff.

Dammit, he just emailed me that he doesn't have a standard size, the box was mis-labelled!
« Last Edit: November 09, 2012, 11:44:05 AM by Magpie »
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #148 on: November 12, 2012, 10:36:21 PM »
More disassembly, down to a bare frame and more evidence of abuse. Bodywork/metalwork school next. My helper wanted desperatley to go inside. Cliff.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2012, 02:30:00 PM »
Krusty, did you find that piston? If you did how much would you want for it and do you have a guess for shipping all the way to Canada? Thanks, Cliff.
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