Author Topic: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project  (Read 55679 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Leino

  • Not much of an
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,261
  • in drag racing since 2005
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #200 on: December 03, 2012, 03:13:59 AM »
Thanks Sam! Donation to the racing fund? Still have my address? You wouldn't happen to have a centre stand kicking around too?   ;D  If so, how much for it?
Cheeky Cliff.

4440, VX8 5J2. ;)
Sounds expensive  ::)

Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,068
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #201 on: December 03, 2012, 07:49:34 AM »
I think you have just misplaced it Cliff as the bolt is there in one of your earlier pictures.

Sam. ;)

By Golly, he's right!



I'll have to cut the beer out ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm not sure how I mixed your bike up with Tims but they are both Canadian bikes and it fooled Gregg as well. ::)
I found the part that was missing, got it all packed up and left it on the table along with my gas and electric bills, I'll post it tomorrow and sorry no centre stand. :(

Sam. ;)
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #202 on: December 03, 2012, 11:10:48 AM »
RAFster, thanks, I'll look them up!
Sam, close on the address, it's V8X 5J2. Thanks for the part and checking for the centre stand! Cutting the beer out is a bit drastic don't you think?  ;D
Cliff.

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #203 on: December 04, 2012, 10:05:52 AM »
More puttering. I've started to work on the wheels, disassembly, cleaning, polishing (of course), replace the bearings, new spokes, rechrome the rims. They are good shape especially on the inside which surprised me. My 750 rims were in awful shape so I expected the same for these. The spokes came out without a problem but lots of pictures and note taking before to be sure I can re-spoke the rims. New spokes seem very cheap from Thailand so that may be the way to go as well as a new wiring harness. I was concerned about asbestos in the brake area from the old shoes so I washed the drum out under water, can't be too careful with that stuff. The ribbed area of the drum appears to have been painted and should polish up nicely. I know, not correct, but that's my choice. It's not a sandcast thank God. Cliff.

Offline danfr

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 211
    • Apollo Motorcycles
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #204 on: December 04, 2012, 10:43:26 AM »
Is there a chromer in town with reasonable rates? I have two 18" rims that need some revitalizing.
Apollo Motorcycles
-------------------------
71 Commando
74 CB750K
74 CB350F

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #205 on: December 04, 2012, 10:58:48 AM »
You'll have to do some shopping. I had Electro Shine in Sydney do my rims because they were cheaper than Victoria Plating but then Victoria Plating was a lot cheaper with a bunch of small stuff than Electro Shine. Both do quality work. I have to that with my rims and may be in Sidney this week to get a price. I'll let you know about them. Cliff.

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #206 on: December 05, 2012, 07:21:52 AM »
A bit of polishing done, the surface is still a bit cloudy in places but I think some Blue Magic will help with that. Cliff.

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,309
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #207 on: December 07, 2012, 09:03:00 PM »
What kind of time and material did you use for your polishing? Did you use more than one compound? Like one to cut the surface back and then another to polish?  Just curious what you did for those results. My CB550K front hub and rear hub looks similar or worse.
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #208 on: December 08, 2012, 09:47:52 AM »
I used 400 then 600 wet and dry sandpaper, using it wet, then polished on my bench grinder. I think I'll go further with finer sandpaper on the next parts as there's a bit of "cloudiness" in some areas of the parts. On the polisher I used 3 grades of compound. The componds came in plastic tubes. First was a brown/black compond in a blue capped tube, grade 3, then a green compound in red capped tube, grade 6, then a red compound called jeweller's rouge. I used a separate polishing pad for each compound. Then I finished it off with Blue Magic metal polish. The biggest ingredient to success in my case is patience, I tend to rush things or not take enough time.
I think I'll go as high as 1000 or more sandpaper and re polish to see if it will remove some of the cloudiness.
Here's an excellent story on polishing http://choppercharles.com/cs/forums/46509/ShowPost.aspx
You'll see where I rushed through mine a bit. Post some pics of your results.
Cliff.

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,309
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #209 on: December 08, 2012, 03:11:04 PM »
Yeah, Larry does phenomenal work. He helped me with a idle/slow jet I couldn't get out of my CX500 carbs and he polished them up before sending them back. They make the rest of the bike look like crap. Going to have to spray some paint on the motor as a result, it is pretty ugly with those shiny polished carb domes and ultra clean carb bodies and polished bowls.  Larry is really great with the CX500s and GL500 and 650 variants...true craftsman.
The CX/GL forum is a very friendly and fun group as well.

Larry recommends Maas polish and it is about $5 for a small container but it doesn't take a lot to do the final polish by hand and the Maas gives the polished work a lot of protection for about 6 months or more when it needs a touch-up. So, maintenance/maintaining them isn't bad and is pretty easy.

David
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline krusty

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 791
  • There's no such thing as a garage that's too big
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #210 on: December 11, 2012, 05:32:32 AM »
Krusty, I sent you a pm but wanted to thank you again for the piston, pin and rings. The package arrived in good shape and the piston, rings and pin are now inside the motor. Cheers, Cliff.
Sorry about not getting back to you re the rings. Wife and I have been away on a cruise thru The Great Barrier Reef and Indonesia to Singapore where I am now waiting of a flight back to Oz. On board Internet is horrendously expensive.
 A bit late now I think, but the grey ring goes to the top. Looks like you're making great progress, looking forward to seeing end result.
Honda
1976 CB750F1
1978 CB750F2
1972 CB350F
1961 C100 Cub
1962 C100 Cub
1959 C76
1963 C92
1964 C95
Suzuki
1963 M15D 50cc
1961 250TA Colleda
1961 250TA Colleda x 2 primed ready for paint and assembly
Yamaha
1977 DT175E x 2
1978 DT125E
1979 DT125F
1976 DT250E
1978 DT250G
1984 FJ1100
1990 FJ1200

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #211 on: December 12, 2012, 10:54:57 PM »
No problem Krusty! Next issue, change the wheel bearings. They are pretty greasy but it's nearly 50 years old and I've come this far, why not do them and the seals? One of the front ones under a cover which the speedo drive goes into. I can get the 3 screws out but the cover is in tight. Any secrets on getting this cover off without hurting it?
Thanks, Cliff

Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,068
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #212 on: December 13, 2012, 10:54:33 PM »
Can't remember on that one Cliff but I'll guess, remove the bearing from the other side first and it might pop out when you start to remove the second bearing which it is covering. :-\

Sam. ;)
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #213 on: December 13, 2012, 11:12:43 PM »
That's it Sam. Spokes on the other forum said the same thing. I shouldn't double post, my bad! Cliff.

Offline Greggo

  • Somebody's
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,164
  • Helmets Save Lives. Period.
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #214 on: December 14, 2012, 03:05:21 PM »
Taught me something, so double post away ;D

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #215 on: December 16, 2012, 09:15:36 PM »
Time for some rust removal. Drill with wire brushes, sandpaper, solvent and the wire whell on the bench grinder. Cliff.

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,309
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #216 on: December 16, 2012, 10:16:21 PM »
It is too bad you can't get the sheet metal to have the same smooth finish of the polished steel "kickstand"(?)

A dremel or rotary shaft tool with a sanding drum would be the ticket to smoothing that drain hole in the 3rd pic down, what da ya mean that isn't a drain hole... 

Are you going to neutralize any acid still lingering and treat the metal with a rust eating etching primer...
Or am I getting ahead of you... odds are you've thought it out as one can't leave cleaned up rusty metal lying about in humid environments or they quickly rust. 

Here in dry high desert of southern AZ the humidity never gets much about 25-30% unless it is the monsoon rainy season, then it can be hot and sticky but that is our worst weather.  Although, I think I prefer the 8-10 degrees warmer weather of Tucson in the winter over here in Sierra Vista.
(I'm out of work and heat is off (65F in house) and the window being a double-paned, but still drafty sliding window, is radiating the cold towards me. Even typing my hands are cold... Time for the glove liners for my motorcycle gloves to do double duty.) It is a balmy 38F currently at 10:47PM MST and is forecast to reach 35F, but has been rainy the past few days and S.V. is at 4600-4800 ft of altitude and nearby peaks are around 8-10k feet. They have been snow covered since Thursday night when the weather front blew in with nasty winter weather.  Guess the blokes in Australia are enjoying their summer.  I need to rob a bank and retire to warmer climate in the winter and comfortable in the summer.  (too many herniated discs in my lumbar region and neck from injuries make cold weather and cold humid weather hurt...cold being defined as below 70 the past few years...)  Guess I will be investing in better insulating clothing for when I have to move to even worse winter conditions finding work. (highly likely)

Sorry for the windy segue...

Bike is coming along Cliff, nice work and thanks for sharing the project.  Hope you have a warm space to work in.
Took my wife to Victoria on high speed catamaran out of Seattle when I surprised her with the trip for our 10th wedding anniversary. Victoria was a great, picturesque place but $$$ then (1994) and probably much much more so now.  We stayed in the historic district off Pioneer Square and Seattle was a fun trip as was Victoria.  Wife told me in May 2006 she and kids weren't moving in July 2006 to AZ as was arranged and planned. 
(21.5 yrs of marriage then... she no longer speaks to me.  No great loss, as now when she does communicate it is by email, never voice, and it is full of accusations, digs, and venom beneath the questions or information she needs from me.)

Larry of CX/GL fame, recommends and used to use CLR, now he uses a rust chemical remover/neutralizing product that is reusable... Can't think of it right now, Rust something... hyphenated word.  No, we aren't playing pictionary....
It is safe on chrome and doesn't abrade like a steel brush, (which never should be used on aluminum).  But a soft brass brush is safe for aluminum use...and often can be used on some chrome if it is soft enough and you are not too aggressive... but chrome plated fasteners can be tough to clean up.

I wish I had taken photos of the before/after on a ring I found and gave my daughter. It was oxidized so badly that it looked like it was possibly brass, the silver tarnish was that bad. I used just a small dab of Maas polish on a cotton cloth and it was less than 5 minutes to remove all the oxidation and polish the silver to a bright finish. It had an raised inset in a long emerald cut shape of turquoise and a black stone forming the yin-yang symbol.
The Maas polish is worth the money for final polish as it also provides a barrier protection that works very well.

David
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #217 on: December 17, 2012, 06:24:48 PM »
Thanks David, a longer reply soon. This appeared in my driveway today. Cost, a coffe and a bagel. I have some leg shields that should fit. It's a 1964 CM90. Cliff.

Offline danfr

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 211
    • Apollo Motorcycles
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #218 on: December 17, 2012, 07:30:19 PM »
Woa woa woa that's quite the sweet little ride you pick up. I know of a special girlie that would look great on it if you decided to part with it.

Nice score!
Apollo Motorcycles
-------------------------
71 Commando
74 CB750K
74 CB350F

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #219 on: December 17, 2012, 07:39:40 PM »
You must be referring to my wife as she said the same thing.  :D  But, I do know who you mean and yes, she would loook very good on it too. Cliff.

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,309
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #220 on: December 23, 2012, 11:22:13 PM »
Boy, that one has some corrosion on the cases. The side covers are metal so they can be painted (the rear fender is like the C70 in the regards it is metal as well...), unlike the C70 (I have a '81 Parakeet Yellow C70) that the plastic is impervious to paint...the oils in the molded plastic Honda used will make most paints peel right off. The color was molded into the plastic and the fenders were more flexible than most, until the sun bakes them and the years make them brittle. I shattered my front fender when I loaded my C70 in my 240 sedan after buying it in Phoenix. I had removed the rear seat bottom before moving to AZ so I could haul more. Intended to retrieve it when I returned to Ohio. It ended up in storage after I ruptured my achilles tendon in my right ankle my second week on the new job back in '09.
I acquired my C70 while living in Tucson and commuted to work on it in Rush Hour traffic for a while.  Rush Hour traffic didn't like my slow speed.  The C70 being 72cc didn't see indicated above 40-42 with my size on it and it wasn't the safest ride given its lack of ability to get out of trouble like you can with a larger bike that has power to squirt around an obstacle quickly. Tucson has over a million people (1.5 million in the metro area) and I would ride across town in the summer to the dealer, Mussleman's Honda, that I liked and still use/support.

Is this is the OHC motor like used in the S90 or the OHV pushrod motor?  The OHV motor a friend in Oregon disliked and advised me to stay away from.

Tiddlers, small displacement bikes, are great fun in the city and Victoria should be a great ciity for the CM91 as it has enough power to get out of its own way and there were lots of bikes in Victoria as well as motorcycles, so the residents are more aware of them and look for them I hope, as opposed to cities where they have less bike/motorcycle traffic. Albuquerque is a very large city and has a very large bicycle community with lots of bike traffic/commuters but the accident rate for bikes is pretty high as the motorist still outnumber the cyclist by very large numbers.  Seattle is more bike friendly and motorcycle friendly...as are many cities where commuters utilize bikes and motorcycles for transportation.

Fine example you have and it should clean up nicely. Looks like you have an excellent example to begin a clean up and respray of the motor and some wax and it will look great!
Well, just looked at second pic, guess it needs some TLC on the frame as there is some rust there that it could use a respray.

Does DrATV.com carry parts for the CM91? (Limited, see link below) They are in Nebraska and are a great parts source for the small displacement Honda bikes. Highly recommend them...

What is that protruding towards the front fender on the left side of the motor? Never seen anything quite like that...
The CM91 is likely to share lots of parts with the C70 and as a result you should be able to find some parts from DrATV if you don't purchase from Honda directly. Don't recall DrATV's shipping policy, I know you folks in the great white North get really raked over the coals on shipping costs from the USA by some companies and some companies have had bad experience and quit accepting orders from outside the USA and some from outside the USA and Canada... 
Here's their selection of CM91 parts, they have the essentials to keep it running it appears.  Their listings indicate Honda original parts with a * if I recall correctly, so that can tell you if you could get it from Honda in Canada possibly. Might save you shipping and fees for customs to not have to deal with that...
http://www.dratv.com/allcmpaw.html

Guess there isn't as much compatible as I guessed would be, or the C70 parts availability has dropped.
Anis at one of the Indonesian ebay suppliers is pretty good for C70 parts and some S90 parts but there were lots of variation in the C70 and S90 line and the S90Z is quite a bit different from the motors on the largely domestic versions that the Yahoo S90 list or the Yahoo C70 list have. So, not everything from Anis fits the C70 or S90 but he's pretty knowledgeable about those bikes...  I forget Anis's company name...going to have to look it up.

I test drove one of the Kymco ~100cc Super Cub replicas and it was very peppy and capable bike. Kymco started life as a Honda OEM supplier for motor and other parts and have since become a high quality Chinese scooter manufacturer.  WAY more power and speed than the C70.  But the S90 motor was that way when compared to the C70.  C70 (72cc) was rated as a 5 BHP motor in perfect tune whereas the S90 (88cc) was an 8 BHP motor design.  There is no replacement for displacement as the drag racers like to say...
But, OHV versus OHC designs aren't fair comparisons.

David
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline RAFster122s

  • I feel like a really really
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,309
  • SOHC4 member # 2605
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #221 on: December 23, 2012, 11:34:56 PM »
The leg shield are a must to stay clean commuting about on misty and other conditions...having ridden my C70 in the rain I can recommend the Michelin tires which should be available. They have great wet performance and superb dry performance. Granted wet conditions on 2 wheels is more dangerous, but the Michelin tires have very good to great wet performance.

David
David- back in the desert SW!

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #222 on: December 24, 2012, 10:17:25 AM »
Hi Dave! Thanks for all your comments! Yes, Victoria is a great place and the Cub should make a good little commuter. There's 3 or 4  of them in my circle of friends already so maybe we can all get together and have a geezer ride.  loks like a green Christmas here. It quite mild today and not raining yet. This may remind you of your visit http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Exhibit_Gall/Webcam/webcam.html
It's going to take a lot of elbow grease to make the little bike shine but I get surprised when I start polishing things at nice they can come up. The thing on the left of the bike is the left foot peg. The original owner had a bum leg so he sawed off the peg and mounted it up there. He had a jocky shift on it too.
I have to try to set this one aside for a bit while I get back to work on the Benly. I get easily distracted and have to force myself to focus on one project at a time.
I haven't looked for parts sources yet. There's lots of suppliers of parts for the Benly in Thailand and the forums for the C95 and C90's are very helpful. There's also a more local one of lovers of classic bikes of all types that has been very helpful. Sam Green has been especially helpful - thanks Sam!
Not much is going to happen in the next few days though. My grand daughter is visiting and I'm smitten!
Cheers, Cliff.


Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,068
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #223 on: December 26, 2012, 01:41:12 AM »
I've been laid up over the last few days with a bad back,  >:( I can just about sit long enough to to post a few lines.
Hope you all had a good Christmas and that's one hell of a  8) picture Cliff.

Sam. ;)
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline Magpie

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,298
Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #224 on: December 26, 2012, 10:16:11 AM »
Back back? Ouch!! I hate it when that happens! We had a great Christmas Sam. That's Calla, 13 months old and wearing us out! Happy New Year Sam. Cheers, Cliff.