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RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« on: May 21, 2012, 06:00:35 AM »
I need a little help getting my carbs sorted out for my CB750 apparently I am not the "Carb Master" I thought I was and could use a little advice.  This started due to leanness in my mid range with white on my grounding strap.  I originally thought it was the K & N fitler for my stock air box giving me the trouble, but after taking the carbs off I am in the 2nd highest position already and am ruining 110 mains. 

According to Hondaman's book the main passageways need to be cleared with tiny drills #60 to 80 I got them on order.  I am also planning on giving them the GUNK carb dunk as I suspect the internals are filled with white stuff.  I can see hard corel like encrustations on the fuel T.  I'd image other passages have the stuff too.

So my first question is has anyone had good success removing a lean mid range condition with this plan of attact Drill bit / dunk combo, or drill bit alone?  Attached is a pic of a #80 it's tiny.

The other problem is that the aircrews don't do a whole lot to increase or decrease idle the way I want them to.  They are the solid type no holes.  I do have the other type if that will help things out.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 12:24:22 PM »
This sound similar to my problem of hesitation in a head wind.  I think I will reroute my overflow tubes.

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Re: RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 06:06:09 PM »
Hold on .....

That "white stuff"on the aluminum next to the brass parts is aluminum chlorides (corrosion)
Just clean it and spray with WD40.

The "white stuff" on the battery is battery acid and you want to sprinkle baking soda all over the area and wash it all down with lots of water.
Then sprinkle a little more baking soda on the top and leave it there. for protection of get some battery corrosion protection spray.

When brass is next to aluminum it is like creating a battery and one of the two metals is going to get attacked.
Aluminum and brass is a bad combination.
Make sure to keep moisture or water away to limit the corrosion.
Use some Seafoam in your gas to keep the moisture in the gas in suspension.

I would not use an electric drill on those parts, just twist with your fingers to clean holes. The spray with WD40.

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Re: RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 08:29:51 PM »
Hold on .....

That "white stuff"on the aluminum next to the brass parts is aluminum chlorides (corrosion)
Just clean it and spray with WD40.

The "white stuff" on the battery is battery acid and you want to sprinkle baking soda all over the area and wash it all down with lots of water.
Then sprinkle a little more baking soda on the top and leave it there. for protection of get some battery corrosion protection spray.

When brass is next to aluminum it is like creating a battery and one of the two metals is going to get attacked.
Aluminum and brass is a bad combination.
Make sure to keep moisture or water away to limit the corrosion.
Use some Seafoam in your gas to keep the moisture in the gas in suspension.

I would not use an electric drill on those parts, just twist with your fingers to clean holes. The spray with WD40.

Thanks Lucky,

No electric drill just fingers or a pin vise.  Also,  my air screws don't seem to do much this would probably indicate worn seat or blocked passage?  It looks like the idle jet is a right angle how am I supposed to clean this?  Wire can't make a 90 degree turn.

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Re: RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 09:03:13 PM »
Leanness like you're describing can come from vacuum leaks in the rubber carb boots to the engine, very common after 35+ years. The K&N filter (if inside the stock airbox) will actually makes things a bit richer, overall.

That passageway from the tiny brass hole in the air horn to the main emulsifier tube: when this is blocked, or partially so, the mixture gets very rich and clumpy in "texture", not burning well. If yours is running lean, those are likely fine.

Things to look at:
1. If you recently replaced the fuel valves (float valves) with aftermarket ones, chances are 80% that the new ones have stiffer springs than the OEM ones did. This causes low float bowl levels and poor idle air screw control, and lean mixtures until about 1/2 throttle (or more). The only option, when using these stiff ones, is to raise the float levels: I typically go to 24mm, seems to help.
2. Did you check the float tangs on the floats where they press the fuel valve closed? If they have a tiny dimple there, it must be removed. This causes sticky valve action, both not filling and overfilling the bowls.
3. DON'T attempt to swap the hollow-tipped and solid-tipped air screws. There are other metering port changes that accompany those parts, and the mixed-up ones make for tuning headaches that you'd probably not like to take on.
4. A soft, 26 or 28 AWG mechanic's wire will snake into these passages OK. It takes a little patience, but you'll figure it out.

A word about our fuels: in these parts (U.S. West) the Shell and Phillips gas will make a white sparkplug electrode color and will burn lean. The Valero and Sinclair fuel makes the "normal" colors on the plugs. This is the majority of the gas we see. and it contains a MINIMUM of 10% ethanol, often up to 20%.
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Re: RE: CB750 Carb Cleaning Need Help!!
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 10:42:42 AM »
Leanness like you're describing can come from vacuum leaks in the rubber carb boots to the engine, very common after 35+ years. The K&N filter (if inside the stock airbox) will actually makes things a bit richer, overall.

That passageway from the tiny brass hole in the air horn to the main emulsifier tube: when this is blocked, or partially so, the mixture gets very rich and clumpy in "texture", not burning well. If yours is running lean, those are likely fine.

Things to look at:
1. If you recently replaced the fuel valves (float valves) with aftermarket ones, chances are 80% that the new ones have stiffer springs than the OEM ones did. This causes low float bowl levels and poor idle air screw control, and lean mixtures until about 1/2 throttle (or more). The only option, when using these stiff ones, is to raise the float levels: I typically go to 24mm, seems to help.
2. Did you check the float tangs on the floats where they press the fuel valve closed? If they have a tiny dimple there, it must be removed. This causes sticky valve action, both not filling and overfilling the bowls.
3. DON'T attempt to swap the hollow-tipped and solid-tipped air screws. There are other metering port changes that accompany those parts, and the mixed-up ones make for tuning headaches that you'd probably not like to take on.
4. A soft, 26 or 28 AWG mechanic's wire will snake into these passages OK. It takes a little patience, but you'll figure it out.

A word about our fuels: in these parts (U.S. West) the Shell and Phillips gas will make a white sparkplug electrode color and will burn lean. The Valero and Sinclair fuel makes the "normal" colors on the plugs. This is the majority of the gas we see. and it contains a MINIMUM of 10% ethanol, often up to 20%.

1. Definitely sounds like a fuel level / flow problem.  I am not sure of the valves as I did not replace them, but the problem goes away when I am accelerating.  The problem sounds familar to Johnnie where his overflow hoses were going straight down causing a problem when crusing in wind.  On my way home cool no wind no problem which goes back to fuel.  Is this correct do these hoses work best in still air?  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=68898.25

2.  No dimples in float tang.

3. I'll swap the air scews back for the ones with the holes.

4.  See what I can do to to fish the wire through those jet passageways.

Much Thanks!