Ive built a few bike over the past couple years, but never with the rear hoop just couldnt break down an spend 100.00 for 5.00 worth of metal, Decided to buy the 1' 180' 4.0clr die for my bender for my new project, 35.00 with a 7/8 sleeve plus shipping, you think thats a fair price might throw them up on egay