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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »
I think that is the article in Cycle World that I have..

 I have known of the Hocking 750 for over 30 years & thought of it often.. while it would never have (probably) dominated the racing it could have been part of an exciting segment of racing that could have been a lot of fun & brought in a lot of brand loyalty fans.

 If they had a 4 cyl class there would have been no shortage of competitors , and all would have had the same disadvantage, but the different brands would have brought in spectators.. IMO..

 To me the Hocking bike (or any other CB 750 based dirt tracker) back in the day was a sort of pivotal bike, not for what it did, but what could have been.. rare example of a true race bike..

 BTW , I should apologise, I earlier inferred that a TZ had a 170 hp, I was getting their roadrace speed mixed up with HP.  HP wise though, they did have a huge edge on anything else running, in them days..
 
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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 06:58:16 AM »
thanks 754 for starting this thread... *drool*
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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2009, 10:56:18 AM »
Thanks Bob...you let my latest project out onto the net!@%#*&@??!

Hey!  I said "I ain't saying where this is!"

Did you find someone crazy enough to ride this thing yet?  And no, I'm still not interested.

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2012, 08:10:46 PM »
Just picking this thread back up: as an old man and unlike a lot of the SOHC crowd I saw some of (but not all) the multicylinder flat track machines race - on the Syracuse Mile.

They didn't work.

A lot of the reasons why were stated before but not some of the important ones. One, the firing pulses of a V-twin make them much more friendly on a dirt track. This has been true since bikes were first raced on flat dirt tracks. Second, the Triples, TZ's, Hondas, Kawasaki Triples et al all had their power bands in the wrong place for a dirt track and it just isn't always possible to ride around that every time. Third, low weight makes a difference, and nobody can make an SOHC light enough to be viable against a V-twin Harley XR. When Honda went dirt tracking, what did they use, a V-4? Nope. A V-twin, more than once.

Even paralell twins (BSA, Triumph, Yamaha, Norton, Royal Enfield, Benelli..Benelli?) had a better time of it than across-the-frame multis.

The dirt track multis I saw raced all dug holes in the ground at the start and halfway down the straight and were late to the first corner. They might have had speed on the straightaways, but the lighter twins would kill 'em in the corners while the multis were either fighting their way around or trying to find the powerband. I mean, I have pictures of dirt track twins with their crankcases in the dirt they were leaned over so far - can't do that with a multi.

It was a dead end. Oddly enough, the British bike guys figured it out early and dropped the BSA/Triumph Triples from the dirt track roster, and they didn't get traded down to "local" tracks. They disappeared.

Keen bikes to look at now. Not winners in their day, and a technological dead end. Maybe with those oft-rumored magnesium CR crankcases? OK, nah.

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2012, 08:41:10 AM »
Thanks for resurecting this on Spirit, quite a good read.
I asked a question way back in reply #13, nobody replied, do you know ?

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2012, 08:56:41 AM »
 I dont care what anyone says, still want to see them in the dirt.. lOts of people have bikes that could be replaced by something "more suited to the task", but prefer to "ride what they like"..
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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2012, 02:36:23 PM »
Sam750A:"does anyone know which was the first Japanese bike to be banned from racing in the states?"

"Banned from racing" carries a lot of weight. I have actually never heard of a machine banned from racing in this country, though I can name a few that were banned by the AMA (Dick Mann's Matchless G50 for one). There's always someplace to race almost anything, if you want to look (or get shunned by some organizing body).

So, nope. What's the answer, and is this a trick question?

Spirit

And PS: I wish that the multis would have persisted longer myself. Ultimately I think someone would've worked it out. But like the CR750, which you COULD make work if you had the time and money - you could also just go out and buy a Yamaha 350 and race it the same day, no mods needed. What would most people do? Exactly what they did..

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2012, 02:55:43 PM »
Spirit, not a trick question and I've started another thread so as not to hyjack franks thread.
They wern't banned on the grounds that no one could beat them but that was what was behind the excuse and reason for the ban.

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2012, 06:59:38 PM »
Re doing a 750 in a Champion frame.  Denis Curtis made/makes his version of the Champion, has been since the 70's.  I'm sure he would do one today to take a SOHC if you wanted.
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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2012, 07:20:39 AM »
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what was behind the excuse and reason for the ban.

They were dangerous to other riders on the track because of the line they had to take in the corners which would intersect with the line that the twins took.  So the inline 4s could run down low on the straight but when they went into the corners they had to move up the track where the twins could hold a much tighter line through the corner.  So 3 bikes side by side in the straight and one of them has to move up the track as they hit the slide.  Intersecting lines = crashes.  The same arguments were used to keep the milers without brakes until the late 60s.  In the book Harley Racers by Alan Girdler, Dick Mann makes a good argument against the use of brakes on the mile.  The TZ didn't work for Kenny after Indy either.  I think he tried it twice more in 1975 before it was banned.  Once at Syracuse.

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Re: Finally !! The RICK HOCKING Champion Framed 750 Flattracker!!
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2012, 07:56:39 AM »
Was at Syracuse in '75 and KR "tried" the TZ there but as stated, it was impossible to get it to hook up on The Mile. He switched over to the Shell Thuet Yamaha 750 twin and put it into the crashwall, breaking off the headstock as I recall.

There were two other TZ's that tried to make the race. Guess what? Couldn't hook up, long ditch dug to Turn One followed by (correct, Rookster) a slide to the outside cushion between One and Two, ditch again on the backstraight followed by a slide to the cushion between Three and Four, repeat until checkered flag waves...

I may have the program somewhere - I'll look to see who rode them.

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