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Is this 350f Worth It?
« on: May 22, 2012, 09:26:30 AM »
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum (and to motorcycles). I've done a fair bit of digging in here and found a lot of good information from very helpful people, but I think I could benefit greatly from some advice specific to my situation. If anyone could help me out, I'd be eternally grateful--I'm chomping at the bit to join the SOHC4 club.

Thank you in advance, I'm thrilled to have found this community/resource.

I've been looking at purchasing this bike as a first bike, but I'm wondering if it would be a good fit for my needs/wants/budget.
([Since I'm new, it won't let me post links. But it is the top result if you google "1973 Honda CB350-Four - $800 (Rochester, NH)"

The good:
  • PO is selling it for $800 and it looks to be in pretty good condition. Seems like a good deal with the price of CBs these days.
  • He appears to be legit: says he kept it in a heated garage, kept the stock parts he replaced, put together a binder and a cd of all the part numbers and diagrams, cleaned the bike, maintained it, etc. Referred to his bikes as his "babies."
  • It is a BEAUTIFUL bike, and from the videos I've watched, the exhaust note is gorgeous. Sounds like music.

The bad:
  • It is not running so I can't test it by cycling through the gears, etc...
  • I am unsure how much money it would take to fix up. Could be minimal if it only requires a carb kit, tires, and a battery like he says, but I think it could be a lot more.
  • This would be my first bike and only bike for a while. I want something that would be fun for taking around town/short to medium length jaunts into the back roads of New England, so if it's "slow" then I am worried I would outgrow it immediately.

Would it be a better idea to look for one of the larger fours (400-550)? They sound like they might be closer to what I want/need, but those bikes don't seem to pop up much in Maine/NH/MA within my price range ($1500). Or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. Or lack patience.

I'm undecided but worried that I might kick myself for passing up on this. It seems to be a pretty good deal for what I've heard is a lovely bike.

(And no, even though I'm 27, I am not planning on turning this bike into a cafe racer. I would keep the styling as is. Classic is classic for a reason, as I see it.)
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 09:36:11 AM »
How do you plan on riding?
Alot of highway? Freeway? back roads? To work everyday?

I LOVE my 350f but if i had to commute on a major freeway i would want a heavier bike. Not only is the 350 less powerful, its much lighter.

The same lightness that makes me avoid long trips on the freeway is exactly what I love about the bike. Is so easy to toss back and forth and is just playful.

I dont know prices in your area, but here in San Diego 800 would be a good (if not great) deal

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 09:44:28 AM »
$800 for a non-running bike seems a bit steep to me, although it is fairly complete/original, so I'd probably start at $400 or $500 and work from there.

You won't see 400s come up for sale much, but the 500s and up are common sellers.  You don't see the 350s come up often either, they are about the rarest of the SOHCs.

A light bike like that will be a great 1st bike... resist the urge to buy a 750, they are just too heavy for a new rider.  Get your good habits down on a smaller bike, then if you want a bigger one, they will transfer easily to a heavier bike.

socalenduro has it right about needing to know your intended purpose and what he has to say about the baby CB.  He's probably spot on as far as pricing in his area too.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 09:50:27 AM »
I'd just buy it that looks like a super clean bike and a 350f is super rare as previously stated.  Looks uper clean too.   Good Luck!

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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 09:56:09 AM »
How do you plan on riding?
Alot of highway? Freeway? back roads? To work everyday?

My commutes would be about 10-15 minutes on a 60mph road if I were to take it. Usually I bicycle, though, as it's the only way I get any exercise. So if I did use it as a daily commuter (which is unlikely), the commutes would be short and sweet.

For the most part, I would take it around Portland and perhaps on the odd back-roads day trip deeper into New England. Highway trips only sparingly.

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$800 for a non-running bike seems a bit steep to me, although it is fairly complete/original, so I'd probably start at $400 or $500 and work from there.

I asked the PO on the phone if it was a hard price (tried my hand at haggling), and he said he'd prefer to have me come look at it before deciding. The pricing in the area seems to be fairly inflated at the moment. I don't know if it's a summer thing or because it's New England or if that's just the way things are. I have never seen a 350f for sale, though, so it's hard to judge.


You won't see 400s come up for sale much, but the 500s and up are common sellers.  You don't see the 350s come up often either, they are about the rarest of the SOHCs.

A light bike like that will be a great 1st bike... resist the urge to buy a 750, they are just too heavy for a new rider.  Get your good habits down on a smaller bike, then if you want a bigger one, they will transfer easily to a heavier bike. .

I think I could be happy with a 500. A friend offered to sell me his 1981 650 custom but it all felt too big. I definitely prefer the feel of the smaller bikes.

But if it's rare and clean and as fun as people make it out to be, I might just go for it. It is within my budget.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 09:59:51 AM »
Side note: I am not averse to some pretty in-depth wrenching (it's pretty thrilling), but I'm no pro.

Would this be difficult/expensive to maintain?
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 10:01:54 AM »
cash is king, no one wants to haggle over the phone. Go and take a look and take cash.  Even a trailer or a pick up.
Sellers are always more inclined to drop the price if they feel they can sell it right then!

As long as your not doing highway cruising I think it could be a great starter bike. The only danger is its so small sometimes it doesnt feel dangerous...but it will still do 90.

You will get ALOT of looks and questions on the 350f, because it a bit more rare.

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 10:11:33 AM »
My concern would be the work it needs, but if you feel comfortable wrenching, that makes the decision a whole lot easier.  You'll find all the help you need on this forum if you get stuck on something.

Your reward may not be immediate either... you might be trying to get it to run right for a while.  So, if you're looking for immediate transport, that could be an issue.

I learned to ride on a suzi 125 enduro, then a vtr250... I then got increasingly bigger bikes over the years... my favorite bike to this day is my little cb350f that I still own and vowed very early on in my ownership that I would never sell it.  If that isn't a good review, I don't know what is.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 10:15:12 AM »
As for immediate transport, I have my old '77 Batavus HS50 that I have just finished tuning. That should get me around town, if not quite in the same style, then at least with a motor. It gets a fair number of looks and questions, too.

Thanks for the help, everyone! I was on the fence before but now I'm ready to dive in.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 10:15:51 AM »
i too would offer 400-500 for a non runner, just be sure it turns over.  Parts are readily available.  dont expect to be able to ride it right away.  it will take some time to get it right and we are here to help ya!
estimate you'll spend $1000 to get it roadworthy/safe...more $ if you want to make major alterations/cafe.
I had my 350F for 3 years.  rode it as much as i could.  loved it.  if you wrench/tune it well, freeway speeds wont be an issue.  super fun in the twisties as it was so light.  fun bike to have.  sold it as i needed something bigger/heavier.  wish i could have kept if for my kid.  :-\

edit....just looked at the ad.  nice bike.  jump on it!  ;D bet you could have it running by the weekend  ;)
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 10:30:53 AM »
There's actually two 350Fs listed there.  Not a bad looking bike, you may find cosmetics the most troublesome thing to source so the original paint is a plus IMO.  As mentioend already, I've had mine on an interstate before and I'm not sure I'd recommend it...  That said, mine will run 60 all day.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 10:38:12 AM »
There's actually two 350Fs listed there.  Not a bad looking bike, you may find cosmetics the most troublesome thing to source so the original paint is a plus IMO.  As mentioend already, I've had mine on an interstate before and I'm not sure I'd recommend it...  That said, mine will run 60 all day.

Oop. That other one wasn't there when I looked before. I wonder if the $400 is worth the dealership service. Not as pretty in that white, which doesn't look stock to me (or very professional).

Will offer $500 or so, but totally willing to pay the $800 if he won't take any less.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 10:47:42 AM »
Yeah I'd jump on it, too.  Most likely you're looking at a carb overhaul (there is an excellent step by step pictorial on this at the yahoo 400f forums, which I can sent you a link to), new tires probably and perhaps a cleanout of the gas tank.  Then your normal tune up stuff like oil and filter, air filter, valve adjustment, timing, and cam chain.  You may have to invest in some basic specialty tools (timing gun--about $40, impact driver, feeler gauges and common metric tools), but that should do to start with.    You might also have to end up overhauling the front brakes, too, depending on what you find. 

One note of caution on these bikes, and something you can certainly check before you buy:  The cam chain tensioner mechanism on the 350 and 400/4 is not well designed, as the bolt that holds the tensioner in place can seize in the lower case.  If you can get the owner to demonstrate that this bolt is not seized, that would be a major plus.  All it involves is loosening the locknut and then (CAREFULLY) backing out the bolt.  You want him to do it because if it is seized it can break off inside the cases rendering it almost impossible to fix without splitting the cases.   If the bolt is free, you still need to do more digging to make sure that the tensioner still pivots inside the motor, but that is probably more than the owner is willing to do.  But the main thing for now is that the bolt screws in and out of the cases freely.  You'll need a small ratchet with an extension and a 10mm socket for this (and maybe a 12mm too?  I don't recall...).
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »
I am excited. Thanks for all the wonderful advice.

A friend at work has told me that it is never a good idea to buy something that doesn't run, but I have a good feeling about this one. Famous last words, perhaps. But it looks so clean and well kept!
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 11:02:08 AM »
Buy it!  Buy it!  I think it is worth the asking price, you probably can get him down to 650 to 700 if you have cash with you ask other members have stated.

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2012, 11:04:07 AM »
Unless the cam chain tensioner is seized, I fully plan on buying it.

If all goes well, I'm sure I'll be posting a lot about it in the future, so keep an eye out for me.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2012, 11:09:21 AM »
There's actually two 350Fs listed there.  Not a bad looking bike, you may find cosmetics the most troublesome thing to source so the original paint is a plus IMO.  As mentioend already, I've had mine on an interstate before and I'm not sure I'd recommend it...  That said, mine will run 60 all day.

Oop. That other one wasn't there when I looked before. I wonder if the $400 is worth the dealership service. Not as pretty in that white, which doesn't look stock to me (or very professional).

Will offer $500 or so, but totally willing to pay the $800 if he won't take any less.

White?  The one I look at had no photo  ???  That's 3?!  WTF, are you hoarding these up there?
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 11:19:27 AM »
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/3031004114.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/3029941170.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/3027149944.html

 ???  And a whole host of other old Honda bikes listed...

Many in the 650-900cc range. Must be great if you're looking for that size bike. Unfortunately, I am not.
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 08:04:14 PM »
Bought it! He's delivering it on Thursday. Threw in a 4 into 2 MIVV Silencer exhaust.

Delivered about 70 miles, comes to $1000. Very happy.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 08:17:10 PM »
Congrats! 
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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 09:26:48 PM »
Bought it! He's delivering it on Thursday. Threw in a 4 into 2 MIVV Silencer exhaust.

Delivered about 70 miles, comes to $1000. Very happy.

Great move! Around here, that 'package' would be a steal for a 350F. Don't fret about the hiway stuff, either: many folks toured the USA with a Vetter fairing attached to their 350F bikes in the 1970s, riding alongside their 750 friends. Some rode alongside me!

Let me know if you plan on changing exhaust parts around: I'm looking for some exhaust for my own 350F...
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2012, 09:32:45 PM »
Yeah! Don't get worried about the 350 on the hiway. I've put tons of miles on mine and it's fine. It's not the same as a big bike, but there's no problem. A bunch of friends took 350's from here (Vancouver) to Mexico a couple years back with no real trouble. 350's are great fun bikes. Even though mine hates me, I fix it and ride it while the 750 and 550 sit and wait patiently.

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 09:53:53 PM »
Oh yeah!  I hope it treats you well.  Like the others said, you shouldn't have any trouble on the highway.  I took a trip last year with my girlfriend, a tank bad, Shoei hardcases, more stuff strapped on and a backpack on my girl.  The 350 did perfectly up and down highway 1, and made some jaunts on the interstate with no worries.  I did port my head out a while back, which is likely why it did so well, but even stock it should treat you well.

Post some pics too please.  I didn't click the link before it was taken down by the poster.

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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2012, 04:32:56 PM »
I only managed to take one picture before I got too excited and forgot to take anymore. And it's out of focus, a bit. More tomorrow!

But for now, an attached picture of my new pride and joy.

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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2012, 04:37:56 PM »
Honestly, from seeing it...I'd say it's worth it.  But I'm from California...the land of the $1000 non-titled, non-runners.  lol
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2012, 05:34:16 PM »
If it runs good, yes def worth it. Looks very nice. And if you didn't know, the bars and mufflers are aftermarket, both popular mods in the 70's.
It you like them, great. If not, change back to original and it will add value to the bike. Good mufflers may be hard to find and expensive if you do.

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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2012, 05:40:08 PM »
Lovely bike. Needs some winkys now.
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2012, 06:14:00 PM »
If it runs good, yes def worth it. Looks very nice. And if you didn't know, the bars and mufflers are aftermarket, both popular mods in the 70's.
It you like them, great. If not, change back to original and it will add value to the bike. Good mufflers may be hard to find and expensive if you do.

Congrats!

Thanks! It doesn't run quite yet--turns over and the cam chain tensioner bolt isn't seized, but the carbs dump gas. Think it needs some carb work and it should be fine. Took a risk on the advice of the forum in this very thread so we will see what happens.

I might go back to the original bars, but for the mufflers I have a 4 into 2 MIVV silencer set that I'm dying to put on. New headers with it. Will be lovely, I'm sure.

Lovely bike. Needs some winkys now.

Winkys?

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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2012, 06:20:13 PM »
Indicators.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Is this 350f Worth It?
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2012, 06:21:35 PM »
Ahhh! They're in a box--just have to attach them.
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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2012, 06:22:27 PM »
Indicators.

Turn signals. Nah, you don't need 'em.
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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2012, 09:30:18 PM »
What would you do with turn signals?

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2012, 09:29:28 AM »
What would you do with turn signals?
Forget to turn them off

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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2012, 09:31:57 AM »
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