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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2012, 06:11:15 PM »
Anyone know what the Euro equivalent is? Seafoam is not available to me.

Seafoam is mostly "Pale Oil" (?) and Naphtha (link to MSDS: http://www.seafoamsales.com/downloads/motor-treatment/msds/271-msdsseafoamen/download.html). I use it in my boat at every tankful, since my intention to use it every weekend usually turns out to be once every 3 or 4 months. My current boat had sat for five or six years before I got it, with just over 100 hrs on the 4-stroke, 115HP Suzuki outboard. Varnish had gummed up the $400.00 fuel pump to the point that it wouldn't even turn. Soaked it in 100% Seafoam for a week and freed it up. The motorcycle gets used more often so it only gets occasional treatment.
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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2012, 06:19:41 PM »
I use it when a bike that has been sitting for awhile and  has low compression.  Add roughly a 1/2 oz to each cylinder and allow it to sit for several days, then recheck compression.  Keep adding a bit until compression rises enough for the bike to start.  I believe the Seafoam works to dissolve the varnish in the ring grooves.  It has raised compression from 35 to over 100, after the bike starts compression will usually rise to 140/150.  I also have freed up stuck motors using the same technique...Larry

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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2012, 06:19:53 PM »
Anyone have any thoughts on this product?  Is it the same thing as Marvel Mystery Oil?  Is it better or worse?  What did it do or not do for you?

It is NOT the same a MMO, for certain.

I was disappointed with Seafoam.  It was lauded here in the forum as a magical do-all, cure-all fluid additive.  It did not free up OR keep the pilot jets clean in my 77 CB750F.  In fact, they plugged up while it was still at full mixture strength in the gas tank (entire system cleaned prior to Seafoam use).  And no amount of running in the Cb750F, Cb550s, or Cb700SC made any improvement at all, that I could discern.  I've had the same "improving" results just running new gas through the carbs and engine, as I've seen with using new gas augmented with Seafoam in it.  Gasoline has it's own detergents blended into it to clean the fuel system as it is traversing the fuel pathways.  I don't think Seafoam is needed.

I don't believe it does a thing to counteract the effects of ethanol in the gas.  For that, I am now evaluating Startron additive, based on MReick's recommendation.  But, it is too soon to tell if that has any real effect, other than instigating the transfer of funds.  ;D

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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2012, 06:55:58 PM »
I used Seafoam on a 650 Yamaha gas tank that had sat for a year or so. There was a lot of varnish in tank, which Seafoam loosened up. Bike never ran good after that until I rebuilt the 4 carbs. Apparently, motorcycles don't like varnish much. Duh!
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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2012, 08:25:08 PM »
thank god i have a pure premium no ethenal added gas station right down the road from my house but its $4.20 a gallon  :o

i havent ran any seafoam for my bike yet but i think it will do some good! i put a hole bottle in the gas tank of my subie and didnt notice anything lol

but i think its a great fuel additive for storing your bike for the winter to do a full mix run it and let it sit.

also i was told too to only add seafoam to ur oil right before you change the oil because it does thin out the oil. i was told this for my subie and bikes etc.
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2012, 11:30:40 AM »
Marvel Mystery Oil is WAY better than Sea Foam, IMO. Sea Foam is about the last thing I would want to add to my gas since it has alcohol in it. Do you REALLY want to put even more alcohol into your already ethanol ridden gas? Not I....... read up on the horrors of lots of alcohol in a regular engine not specially prepped to run it and see what I am talking about.

Marvel is also great for oil changes. I put a good shot or so into the oil then ride the bike around until hot and then change the oil. The Marvel helps loosen up and get the carbon crap off of your engine parts and into the oil for removal. I did this for years with my old VWs to great effect but the first couple of time I did this on my bike when I first got it were AMAZING. You could visibly see carbon on the rocker arms until the MMO treatment that washed most of it off. By the next oil change and another treatment, it was ALL washed off.

MMO also works great as a parts cleaner plus you can't beat the wintergreen smell. I even put a dab behind my ears as a gear-head perfume (j/k!).

There might be even better products out there but all I know is MMO is better than SeaFoam for motorcycles fo' sho'.....


MSDS data on both:


SEA FOAM
pale oil-----------------------------------------------------40-60%
naphtha    25-35%-----------------------------------------25-35%
IPA (alcohol, no not the good hoppy beer kind)-----------10-20%



MARVEL MYSTERY OIL
naphtha-----------------------------------------------------70-80%
mineral spirits-----------------------------------------------20-30%
chlorinated hydrocarbons-------------------------------------0-1%



Also, SeaFoam is pretty ridiculously expensive for what it is. MMO is cheap enough to use as parts cleaner even, and is available in big ole' jugs.

SeaFoam might be good if you are really worried about getting water in your gas, like for boating (the alcohol helps draw water out of the gas for combustion), but otherwise I would stay away from it. DOWN WITH THE CULT OF SEAFOAM!!!
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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2012, 11:42:02 AM »
Anyone have any thoughts on this product?  Is it the same thing as Marvel Mystery Oil?  Is it better or worse?  What did it do or not do for you?

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Seriously tho, I run a half can thru every few tanks.. and fill the carbs up with it every spring, let it sit a day, then just ride it thru.  Love the stuff.

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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2012, 11:48:24 AM »
"also i was told too to only add seafoam to ur oil right before you change the oil because it does thin out the oil. i was told this for my subie and bikes etc."

This subject always comes up. On the SeaFoam site, in the FAQs it addresses this by flatly saying its not true. Put it in anytime and leave it for as long as you want. Would they say that if it weren't true. Would they step in front of that liability bus on purpose?

Now they do say, if it does its job, and your motor was dirty, it will clean it and make your oil dirty. And you should change dirty oil.

So read it how you may.

Now, as a practical matter, we can do whatever makes us feel better, including imparting our own analysis on someone else's product. Personally, I would put it in near when it's otherwise time to change the oil. Makes me feel better. Except my lawnmowers, who cares. And I don't put it in any oil where the machine is not symptomatic. Both my mowers have symptoms.  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2012, 02:05:17 PM »
Chuck Norris pisses SeaFoam!  ;D







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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »
I'm afraid I can't understand this desire to ad something to the engine oil before changing it. What's this strive for complete cleaness? I mean it's all in suspension and mixed with fresh oil it's harmless. Particles that could do harm are trapped in the oil filter anyway. So what's the idea? Do you guys scrub your body every day in the shower?
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2012, 03:18:56 AM »
I use it when a bike that has been sitting for awhile and  has low compression.  Add roughly a 1/2 oz to each cylinder and allow it to sit for several days, then recheck compression.  Keep adding a bit until compression rises enough for the bike to start.  I believe the Seafoam works to dissolve the varnish in the ring grooves.  It has raised compression from 35 to over 100, after the bike starts compression will usually rise to 140/150.  I also have freed up stuck motors using the same technique...Larry

So MoMo when you add it direct into the cylinders, do you turn the motor over a bit or just leave it?

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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2012, 07:58:02 AM »
If the  engine is already free, I will slightly turn it over-just nudge the kicker so the pistons barely move.  If the motor is locked, I  let it sit for several days then either click the starter or try to kick it.  If it does not break loose, I add more and try again in several days.  When it does break loose  make sure you have a rag over the plug holes or you will have fluid all over.  I think the record posted on the forum is 13 feet ;D.  I have only had two bikes that would not free up-and those were tightly rusted...Larry

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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2012, 08:11:24 AM »
I have questions:

what is the boiling point of naptha?
doesn't oil reduce fuel octane rapidly?
don't clean engine parts rust more quickly when inactive?
where does the carbon sludge go when it is released into the engine?
doesn't lower viscosity oil, with an additive of questionable lubricity, increase metal to metal contact and wear?
what are these additives (solvents) doing to my cam tensioners and other synthetic parts?

I ask these things mostly hypothetically because I like to dump things in my fuel and oil that "improve" my engine also.   ;D
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2012, 09:19:07 AM »
OPINION ALERT: The following are opinions and do not reflect the opinions of the management of the SOHC4 forum. ;)

I like both products (SeaFoam and Marvel Mystery Oil). 

SeaFoam Part 1:
I have had disturbingly good luck with SeaFoam.  It got so ridiculous that I joked with my brothers that all I had to do was show the can of SeaFoam to my car and the "check engine" light would go out.  The following is admittedly anecdotal evidence... I have "fixed" my Honda snowblower, Dodge Ram (360), Honda Civic (twice), Yamaha 9.9, Evinrude 18, Toro Lawnmower.  When I say fix, I mean that they ran like crap, barely ran or had a check engine light until I added some SeaFoam to the fuel.  In order to qualify for the "fixed" category, the engine had to run noticeably better (my opinion of course) or turn off a check engine light.  One of the things that needs to be considered is that a carbureted engine is likely to run badly when not run for a while (many of my experiences are based on this scenario).  Just running it will often cause it to run better over time probably because gasoline by itself is a very nice "cleaner/solvent".  In other words, when you got something that runs like crap, often just running it will make it run better.  It's my belief that SeaFoam aids or accelerates this "process".  Sometimes, however, no amount of running or fuel additives will "fix" the problem.  In fairness, I did have one "failure" in my attempts to fix things with SeaFoam.  I have a weed whacker that takes pleasure in confounding me.  Since new, it was much more cold blooded than a K8.  It needed to run for a full 20 minutes before I could completely disengage the choke.  Starting it is always a challenge and after years of fighting this evil device, I've moved on to a battery operated weed whacker.   

SeaFoam Part 2:
I was in the boat storage/maintenance business.  We used Stabil (and topped off tanks) at the end of the season to preserve the fuel in boats for the off season (with good success).  That was several years ago.  I think Stabil is the same stuff it was years ago but our fuel isn't.  I would avoid using Stabil in any of my gasoline engines today.  I have read on other forums and heard from folks in the fuel industry (Chemical Engineering types) that recent blends of our gasoline can have issues with Stabil.  Instead, I add SeaFoam and have not had a problem with bad fuel.  This weekend, I used fuel in my outboard that was 50% 1 year old and 50% 2 years old.  Both batches had SeaFoam in them and tanks were sealed pretty well (important I think).  The engine started on the second pull and ran like a dream.  Is that evidence that SeaFoam is a fuel preservative?  No, but that anecdotal evidence and many other similar experiences will have me using it for the rest of my days in all fuel I put in gas cans and tanks ('cause fuel is often stored much longer than I intended and I believe SeaFoam stabilizes the fuel well).   

SeaFoam Part 3:
There's a process called "de-carbing" in the boating business where you cycle through high concentrations of "SeaFoam per Gas"  until you stop getting white smoke (usually three 10-15 minute cycles).  The white smoke is from carbon deposits.  Carbon deposits are common in 2 stroke outboards and can cause serious damage (ring cracking).  Most boat forums have instructions on how to "de-carb" your 2 stroke engine.  It is a good thing to do (opinion).  There may or may not be good effects keeping our combustion chambers clean using SeaFoam as a fuel additive.  I'm not sure I'd  recommend running high concentrations in our bikes. 

Marvel Mystery Oil:
I use it in my bikes as a matter of habit.  I am told that it has a cooling effect on the combustion chamber and lubricates the valves (I am especially interested in this because of the potential exhaust valve guide issues we experience).  I have less evidence that MMO does good things but I believe in it and use it. 
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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2012, 09:29:37 AM »
You are right. These things do work for certain things and don't for others. I had a Firebird that always developed a noisy valve. One can of MMO in the oil and by time I drove to work it was gone.
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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2012, 09:47:36 AM »
I've always added seafoam to my fuel tank.  I have no clue if it works.
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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2012, 10:04:28 AM »
I'm afraid I can't understand this desire to ad something to the engine oil before changing it. What's this strive for complete cleaness? I mean it's all in suspension and mixed with fresh oil it's harmless. Particles that could do harm are trapped in the oil filter anyway. So what's the idea? Do you guys scrub your body every day in the shower?

Yes you do need to scrub your body in the shower. Maybe not everyday, but occasionally. Dead skin cells can build up and clog the pores of your skin.
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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2012, 10:52:35 AM »
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Yes you do need to scrub your body in the shower. Maybe not everyday, but occasionally. Dead skin cells can build up and clog the pores of your skin.
They make special brushes and sponges for scrubbing your skin.
My friend who's a doctor says your information is false. Actually not showering at all is best for your skin and your natural defense. This is a serious forum and we strive to pass correct information. If you want to joke, it's OK. Just use the appropriate emoticon.

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Re: Thoughts on SEAFOAM
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2012, 10:57:41 AM »
I shower with sea foam, what does the doc say about that? My sister has been married to two different doctors, I lost respect along time ago for that profession.
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« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2012, 03:37:06 PM »
This is a serious forum and we strive to pass correct information. If you want to joke, it's OK. Just use the appropriate emoticon.


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« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2012, 04:54:30 PM »
I drink seafoam if I'm constipated, it clears everything. . .usually from projectile vomit  :o

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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2012, 04:59:45 PM »
dang...you could make some money with a video of that!!
seroiusly seafoam is good stuff as is marvel mistery oil. i also add some 2 stoke oil to every fill up to lube the top end..not much though.
they both have there applications.

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« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2012, 08:11:07 PM »
i use both...gs1100 had problems stumbling and didnt decelerate right...lil bit of seafoam mixed in the gas n problem solved..cleaned the garbage right out of the jets...mystery oil seems to used for a noisy knocking motor instead of fixing the problem right which i did use on an xs650 an it worked...like john said they both have their applications
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« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2012, 10:15:43 PM »
I have used Seafoam a bunch in a variety of different vehicles with great success. I usually split the can up between the fuel tank and the oil. One question I had though was about dumping it directly into the fuel tank, what about the fuel filter? I just changed my fuel filter (of course I'm talking about my truck not my bike) and it was nasty so I imagine the last few applications weren't doing much??

Does MMO work well? I have never tried it but wouldn't mind giving it a try if it's worth it. Also is there anything that works well in a transmission?? My pickup has always had a bit of a hiccup around 45-50 mph, seems to be a tranny thing?? Anyway have a great weekend all!

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2012, 11:15:32 PM »
OPINION ALERT: The following are opinions and do not reflect the opinions of the management of the SOHC4 forum. ;)

I like both products (SeaFoam and Marvel Mystery Oil). 

SeaFoam Part 1:
I have had disturbingly good luck with SeaFoam.  It got so ridiculous that I joked with my brothers that all I had to do was show the can of SeaFoam to my car and the "check engine" light would go out. 

The check engine light has been on in my truck for a couple of weeks and I was planning on having it checked out this weekend.  But then I read your post and thought why not add some to my truck for fun.  Three days later my check engine light is off.  I have no idea if seafoam fixed it but it did make me laugh quite a bit today.
'73 CB350F