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 In the first part of this book under recommended lubricants and fuel engine oil capacity for manual transmission is 3.0 quarts.
 On page 41 of the same manual under filling engine with oil,the manual says "fill the tank with 3.7 quarts.
 What gives? I have 3 quarts in my bike now and when I check the bike cold on the centerstand the reading only covers about 3/16 of the bottom of the stick.
 Im trying to figure out an overheating/pinging problem so Im wondering if the bike should have 3.7 quarts intesd of 3.0.
 The manual is Clymer Honda cb750 SOHC FOURS 1969-1978 it has a picture of a black 78 f3 on the cover same as mine.

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I bougt my 78 cb750k brand new and I still have the original sticker on the top of the oil tank. It says 3.7 U.S. quarts. But I will say that I just drained all of the oil and changed the filter and put in 3 qts. to start.  The dip stick says it has plenty. Maybe I need to pull the oil pump?  I don't know, just guessing. Bike starts and runs with seemingly no problems with oil pressure.
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I bougt my 78 cb750k brand new and I still have the original sticker on the top of the oil tank. It says 3.7 U.S. quarts. But I will say that I just drained all of the oil and changed the filter and put in 3 qts. to start.  The dip stick says it has plenty. Maybe I need to pull the oil pump?  I don't know, just guessing. Bike starts and runs with seemingly no problems with oil pressure.

The oil capacity is complex because it is a dry sump system.
You have the capacity of the oil tank.
You have the oil in the filter.
Then you have the oil in the sump.
Also there is oil inside the oil supply and return lines.

If the engine has been running and the tank dipstick checks ok
and the oil light goes out after you start the bike DONT WORRY.

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 thanks for the replys,
 So do you guys put 3.0 or 3.7 in your bikes?

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thanks for the replys,
 So do you guys put 3.0 or 3.7 in your bikes?

I'm too lazy to look it up but I believe the 3.7 number is for a dry motor and the 3.0 amount is for oil change on a wet motor.
Either way, fill it until the level is correct according to the dipstick. :)
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When the $80 Factory manual is readily available for free I find Chiltons & Clymers manuals better suited for fireplace starter media. Maybe that's just me...because in the 70's I used one to guide me to hone/re-ring my CB-550 and there was NO INFO on ring end gap so I guessed by eye. Every time the motor warmed up it lost power as the rings over-tightened up.
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 Ok let me ask the question a different way.
 When you do an oil and filter change.How many quarts of oil do you pour into the tank :P

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 Just asking, but do you guys change your oil yourself or does someone else do it for you.
 Im finding all answers to this question vauge at best.
 The last thing I want to be on this forum is a smartass and since I'm a new member that cant spell worth a @!%& I fell like you guys are jacking with me a bit...and thats fine.
 So..... how much oil do you put into the tank? 3.0 or 3.7
 Trust me I wont sue you if you give me the wrong answer.
 I'm just an old sarcastic turd that wants to ride my bike....Help me please I'b begging.

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Empty the oil tank. Then refill until the dip stick indicates it is full.
Then start up the bike and run for a minute and turn off.  check again with dip stick.
DONE.

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When the $80 Factory manual is readily available for free I find Chiltons & Clymers manuals better suited for fireplace starter media. Maybe that's just me...because in the 70's I used one to guide me to hone/re-ring my CB-550 and there was NO INFO on ring end gap so I guessed by eye. Every time the motor warmed up it lost power as the rings over-tightened up.
You may have missed the link at the top of my post. It goes to the CB750 Technical Guide on this website. It says to add 3.0 quarts to the oil tank.

Honda CB750 Factory Manual-Capacities: shows 3.7 US Qt, 3.1 Imp Qt, 3.5 Lit.
Maintenance Section: advises to add approx 3.0 qt (2.9 lit) to tank, run motor 1-2 minutes. Shut it off, then add to top mark on dipstick.
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Lucky,
 Remember me ...I"m the guy that pointed out the brass tubes in the accelerator pump system.
 Lucky, simple question...when you change your oil with a new filter.
 How many #@!% quarts of oil to you pour into the oil tank.Thats all I need to know!
 I cant believe with all the knowledge on this forum nowbody can give me a simple answer to one of the most basic questions reguarding these bikes.
 Lucky if I seem a bit frustrated I am.So is it  3.0 or 3.7quarts.
  No offense to you or anyone else on this forum,but really,... can I just get a staight answer on how many @#$!quarts of oil I should put in the tank.
 I am not going to ride this thing again until Im convinved.
 This is all tongue and cheek by the way but ......How many Quarts of oil !@#$%^oil do I pour in my tank

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Hate to sound like 'the last word', but here it is on oil capacity of the 750:

Some (not all) of the first K0 bikes have a 3.0 quart tank. These can be identified by removing the tool tray and looking down: if you see clear to the swingarm pivot below, you have one of these rare birds.

The next oil tank, starting in K0, was 3.3 quarts, required 3.5 with filter change. These disappeared with the sandcast bikes, early in the diecast era.

The next oil tank was 3.5 quarts, could take 4.0 with a filter change without blowing over the top of the separator and out the road tube. This remained until K4, when the vacuum canister appeared under the battery box.

The oil tanks on the pre-1976 K bikes with the vacuum canister (K4-K6) are supposed to hold 3.5 quarts, but the filter media in the separator appears to break down in some units, and this lets oil foam or mist get into the vacuum separator and cause the engine to smoke, especially if the rider is not using low-detergent oils. These work better with 3.3 qts. in the tank, 3.5 with filter change.

Then came the mix again: some K6 bikes hold 3.0 in the tank, .2 in the filter. Some have the K5 tank instead, both with the vacuum canister. The oil dipstick tells which one you have: the plastic dipsticks are the lesser size tanks.

Starting with the F0 in the post-1975 era, the tanks are 2.7 quarts, need 3.0 quarts with filter change and crankcase drain. This lesser oil capacity is part of the reason for the short lives in the later engines.
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 That 70s Bike,
 I am learning very fast that the clymers manual is good for starting a fire or toilet paper.
 Since I'm more of the sinsitive type... starting a camp fire works better for me as I dont see myself using the pages on this manual to apply to more sensitive regions

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Honda man,
 Now I see why, what I thought was a simple question has been answered in such a vague way.
 But it seems you know more than most....So how many !@#$% quarts of oil should I pour into the tank.

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lostmykeys, you should pour in enough to hit the halfway mark on the dipstick, haha. What does it matter if it's 3.0 or 3.7? I change all my vehicles oil and honestly I never really pay attention to the exact liter amount, I just keep pouring till I hit the dipstick mark. Run it and top up if needed, I'm not worried over 0.7 of a liter.
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Lostmykeys, it's clear that the best thing for you to do would be to take your bike to a qualified shop. Getting pissed that no one knows the exact amount? Like most, you pour oil in until the dipstick (not you, the gauge on the back of your oil cap) reads full. Bikes drain different, completely dry vs quick drain etc. it's not rocket surgery  :o :o....

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For what its worth you need to think of the words "up to".  It can take "up to" 3.7 quarts.  "up to" indicates that if the bike was completely devoid of any oil it could hold "up to" 3.7 quarts.  Since it is impossible to remove all the oil from you bike without tearing down the motor, you will require "less than" 3.7 quarts to fill.  This is true of any hydraulic system.  the very first time you fill it, it will take more fluid than any other time you add/fill it.

I did an oil change on my 76 K6 last night.  I drained out everything that would come out.  It took 3.0 quarts to fill it back up.  After a short ride, I will check it again to see if it needs to be topped off.  If not I will presume that when I changed my oil 0.7 quarts stayed inside hoses and crevasses. 
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Vacuum canister???

Yes I was caught by surprise on that term also.
What it really is ,is the air oil separator.

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Hate to sound like 'the last word', but here it is on oil capacity of the 750:

Some (not all) of the first K0 bikes have a 3.0 quart tank. These can be identified by removing the tool tray and looking down: if you see clear to the swingarm pivot below, you have one of these rare birds.

The next oil tank, starting in K0, was 3.3 quarts, required 3.5 with filter change. These disappeared with the sandcast bikes, early in the diecast era.

The next oil tank was 3.5 quarts, could take 4.0 with a filter change without blowing over the top of the separator and out the road tube. This remained until K4, when the vacuum canister appeared under the battery box.

The oil tanks on the pre-1976 K bikes with the vacuum canister (K4-K6) are supposed to hold 3.5 quarts, but the filter media in the separator appears to break down in some units, and this lets oil foam or mist get into the vacuum separator and cause the engine to smoke, especially if the rider is not using low-detergent oils. These work better with 3.3 qts. in the tank, 3.5 with filter change.

Then came the mix again: some K6 bikes hold 3.0 in the tank, .2 in the filter. Some have the K5 tank instead, both with the vacuum canister. The oil dipstick tells which one you have: the plastic dipsticks are the lesser size tanks.

Starting with the F0 in the post-1975 era, the tanks are 2.7 quarts, need 3.0 quarts with filter change and crankcase drain. This lesser oil capacity is part of the reason for the short lives in the later engines.

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"Starting with the F0 in the post-1975 era, the tanks are 2.7 quarts, need 3.0 quarts with filter change and crankcase drain. This lesser oil capacity is part of the reason for the short lives in the later engines."

Later engines were improved.
The latest engines 77-78 also had more cooling fins to help make up for smaller oil capacity.
Also  The engine had many other improvements as far as the oil galleys.
The gearbox had higher gear ratios in 4th and fifth gears.
The oil pan was deeper.
The clutch was improved.
The oil filter housing had larger fins.
A lot of oil was lost in the early models with chain oilers.


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In the first part of this book under recommended lubricants and fuel engine oil capacity for manual transmission is 3.0 quarts.
 On page 41 of the same manual under filling engine with oil,the manual says "fill the tank with 3.7 quarts.

 What gives? I have 3 quarts in my bike now and when I check the bike cold on the centerstand the reading only covers about 3/16 of the bottom of the stick.
 Im trying to figure out an overheating/pinging problem so Im wondering if the bike should have 3.7 quarts intesd of 3.0.
 The manual is Clymer Honda cb750 SOHC FOURS 1969-1978 it has a picture of a black 78 f3 on the cover same as mine.

My 750 Clymer manual shows the same exact specifications as yours. ??? 

My Honda published 750 shop manual shows 3.7 US quarts as the F3 oil capacity under specifications.

The Honda manual takes it a step further and shows the amount for the initial fill and top off after performing an oil change. Of course, a proper oil change includes draining the oil tank & crankcase and replacing the filter.

2.6 + 1.1 = 3.7 quarts, which matches the published oil capacity.



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Vacuum canister???

Yes I was caught by surprise on that term also.
What it really is ,is the air oil separator.
Yeah, I know, I just wasn't aware that any of the K4-K5 bikes had this option.
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it's not rocket surgery  :o :o....

is that like brain science?  ;D

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 3.7 is almost 4 quarts of oil isn't it?

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You should buy 4quarts and report back to us, inquiring minds want to know...
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 I have researched it and found 3.7 quarts is the right amount.
 So with only 3 quarts in my bike now im running almost 3/4 of a quart low.thats alot

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I have researched it and found 3.7 quarts is the right amount.
 So with only 3 quarts in my bike now im running almost 3/4 of a quart low.thats alot

3.7 is almost 4 quarts of oil isn't it?

first you want to know if it is 3.0 or 3.7 now you start talking about allmost 4 just dump the #$%* in untill one of the dipsticks says stop and quite wining or go check the oil in your mower. >:( ;D

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I am a little more careful nowadays I quess but in the past when I did an oil change on the 750 I would just buy 4 qts and put it all in.Never had any overflowing,misting or leaks and I figuired since its a dry sump system that the engine only pulls from the tank what it needs and the 'extra' oil would do no harm.
  I have mentioned this before but when I do an oil change I always tip my bike way over to both the left and the right and hold it for a bit. When I stand it straight up again I am surprised by the amount of dirty oil that comes out from different hidden passages and areas in the engine that won't empty if you just do it off the centerstand   ;)

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 bollingball,I just checked my mowers manual and it says 1.2 quarts on one page and another page it says 1.4.what gives? ;D

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bollingball,I just checked my mowers manual and it says 1.2 quarts on one page and another page it says 1.4.what gives? ;D
1) 1.2 is U.S. Quarts, 1.4 is Imperial Quarts
2) 1.2 is no filter change, 1.4 is with filter change
3) It's the factory manual so both are wrong, go find a Chiltons or Clymers or Auto Parts cross-reference chart. ;D ;D ;D
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3.7 is almost 4 quarts of oil isn't it?
only as much as you feel 92.5% is almost 100% ;D ;D ;D
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This thread is even more entertaining than the pod vs airbox debate, haha
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 750 K,
 It is, and whats real funny is the fact that I thought I was asking a simple question.
 So I added the extra .7 ..3/4amount of oil to the tank today and the bike just exploded and cought on fire but it looked cool.

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it's not rocket surgery  :o :o....

is that like brain science?  ;D
 
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lol seriously....notice the crazy eyes.... Not the sharpest knife in the shed huh... :o

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 It is, and whats real funny is the fact that I thought I was asking a simple question.
 So I added the extra .7 ..3/4amount of oil to the tank today and the bike just exploded and cought on fire but it looked cool.
SORRY to hear that :'( ...PLEASE offer the salvageable parts here cheap to your fellow enthusiast :)
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