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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2012, 10:31:01 PM »


I use the K&N cleaner/service kit on the ones I care about.

But, you make it sound like you know the difference between stoddard solvent and the K&N cleaner, or that you believe cotton is affected by stoddard solvent.  Please elaborate.
The K&N cleaner is water soluble, and following procedure, is flushed with a gentle flow of clean water, then allowed to air-dry. How did you dry the solvent from your element? If you blasted high pressure air through it, that would damage the cotton membrane's fine particle filtration. The solvent itself would not have affected the cotton, other than the obvious staining of your filter, most likely due to dirty solvent. You washed crap into your filter, instead of out of it. ;)   
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2012, 10:54:52 PM »


I use the K&N cleaner/service kit on the ones I care about.

But, you make it sound like you know the difference between stoddard solvent and the K&N cleaner, or that you believe cotton is affected by stoddard solvent.  Please elaborate.
The K&N cleaner is water soluble, and following procedure, is flushed with a gentle flow of clean water, then allowed to air-dry. How did you dry the solvent from your element? If you blasted high pressure air through it, that would damage the cotton membrane's fine particle filtration. The solvent itself would not have affected the cotton, other than the obvious staining of your filter, most likely due to dirty solvent. You washed crap into your filter, instead of out of it. ;)

Lot's of speculation.  Almost totally wrong.  Never blasted air through it.  Air dried.  Solvent wasn't brand new but is filtered before circulation.  I didn't spend a lot of time or money on a component that I wasn't going to use.

I don't know how the filter was treated before it came to my possession.  It never looked clean or any color other than what it is now.  The rest of the bike (apart from the paint, that is) was certainly not well treated though, with many signs of outright mechanical incompetence. 

Anyway, I didn't buy the K&N filter new.  I still believe it is the wrong "solution" to air filtration on the CB550, even if it is better than some other alternatives.

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2012, 11:09:08 PM »
Solvent wasn't brand new but is filtered before circulation.  I didn't spend a lot of time or money on a component that I wasn't going to use.


Obviously, the K&N captured contaminants that your parts washer filter didn't. You have stated before on many occasions your disdain for K&N products. Look at smooth's picture, after following the proper procedure, and compare it to yours. (This is the 2nd time he has educated you on this subject!)   
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2012, 04:56:16 AM »
Sounds like oil thread, LOL!

I use K&N filters in my jeep, but I believe they filter out less particles than original filters. The higher air volume must come with a price, simple as that.

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2012, 07:45:03 AM »
 I doubt it.. K&N has used that material 4ever, premium priced re-usable filter.. that Honda does not want to spring for on an OEM bike..
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2012, 09:37:45 AM »
I doubt it.. K&N has used that material 4ever, premium priced re-usable filter.. that Honda does not want to spring for on an OEM bike..
 ..peaches & nectarines...imo..

Asbestos was used for hundreds of years too.

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2012, 10:01:59 AM »
Sounds like oil thread, LOL!

I use K&N filters in my jeep, but I believe they filter out less particles than original filters. The higher air volume must come with a price, simple as that.

Now shoot me :)

ow ya i totally believe that the K&N filters for cars or bikes dont capture as many particulates and like those paper filters. i think its just a trade off for more and better airflow with a K&N filters. i think K&N tries to compensate this by using the oil spray onto the filter. maybe that catches more finer particulates because that oil stuff dosnt dry and i doubt you need the oil to maintain the filter health from like cracking or degrading because the K&N filters i pulled where just filthy and dried out. one was wet with stuff growing on it. so i think the main purpose of the oil treatment spray at the end is just to help capture more particulates?
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2012, 10:13:34 AM »
I agree the oil is part of the filtration. I also believe they do as good a job as the OEM, at filtering.
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2012, 12:43:38 PM »
Obviously, the K&N captured contaminants that your parts washer filter didn't. You have stated before on many occasions your disdain for K&N products.
It's only obvious in your mind.  The filter was the same color when I got it and the parts washer didn't make it any better, or worse.  I already told you I didn't get it new.

Further, you are just making ridiculous suppositions/accusations without any basis in fact.   I use K&N filters in my CB750s filter box.  Hardly a disdain proclamation.  K&N doesn't make a filter to fit inside the 550's stock air box.  I believe they used to, but they abandoned us due to profit reasons, I expect.  So, I use Uni filters there, because I want a reusable filter for economic reasons. 
 I prefer bikes that don't misbehave in bad weather.  Bad weather is enough of a distraction without nursing a poor performing engine through it, instead of concentrating on traffic and safety matters.  An exposed filter is not prevalent on any production vehicle because of the compromising effect weather has on it.

If I had a need for a machine that only saw use at the track, an exposed/unprotected filter on a modified engine that could take advantage of it, might be a consideration.  I really don't give a f*ck if my bike doesn't win some superficial cafe lounge show, because it doesn't have the most desirable fashion filters installed on the carbs.  Why people think filter media is attractive is beyond my comprehension.

Have you ever wondered why K&N hasn't gotten any major manufacturer support for production vehicles?  Were they as superior as you wish to believe, why can't they convince a manufacturer to incorporate their product as OEM equipment?  If they could really deliver increased performance and reliability, I'd think the manufacturers would gladly include such a part in the production build, at least on their high performance offerings.  But no, even K&N's highly refined marketing and advertising campaign leaves the major manufacturers unimpressed, or unconvinced of it's worth.  If I have a disdain for K&N, it is directed at their marketing strategy, and misleading advertising.  They are long on promises/innuendo and short on factual, relevant data.  However, they have tailored the advertising to the individuals most susceptible to give them money, the home mechanic with high hopes and little to no aptitude for differentiating true needs and capability.  Real engineers are knowledgeable of the concept of "trade-offs".  Home mechs think everything changed is win-win (and looks cool).

If you operate your engine where there are no airborne particulates, you don't need a filter at all.
If you don't mind changing your oil more frequently as it collects airborne dirt, then use a filter that doesn't collect all of it from the incoming air.
If you don't mind shaving the operational life of the engine in trade for a "higher HP" dream, then use a minimal filter, if any.
If you are out playing in dusty dirty environments without proper filtration, then prepare to sharpen your rebuilding/ replacement skills.

I'm willing to trade extra maintenance activity with less long term cost, for the convenience and higher cost of the disposable paper air filter, even though it is almost certainly better at actually preventing dirt from reaching the engine (particularly during periods of neglect).
Once an oiled filter has it's membrane fibers coated with particulates, it either becomes very restrictive very rapidly, or it becomes ineffectual at trapping particulates.
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2012, 01:16:22 PM »
My K&N filter has been on my K3 since the mid-'70s..............I clean the box every few years and brush off the filter. I have not oiled it since about '85. Its been working just fine and has about 45,000 miles on it.  I may get motivated to clean and oil it again, but I just might install the new unit I have had for years.......still wrapped in clear plastic..........and use the old unit on a custom build with about 20 extra holes drilled into the box.

I don't really care how well they filter the air from inside my box...............They seem to be about the same..........just last forever ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2012, 01:26:35 PM »
I found these air filter tests interesting.  Not purely scientific - so take the results with a grain of salt . . . .

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/air-filter-filtration-test/
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2012, 09:07:06 PM »
Loyd, i strongly suggest you have a look at  H-D Screaming Eagle carb kits...
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2012, 09:56:19 AM »
I was at Advance Auto a week ago and you could get the RC-2240 K&N's online. The
store manager thought he could get them and said they were on back order. It's
been a week and still haven't heard anything. I'll call them after the holiday. Anyone
try the RC-2240's on a CB750 yet???? If so please post. Advance Auto said if they
don't work I can send them back----hope this is true. I'll let you all know if it works
out, hopefully sooooooooon!!!

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2012, 10:37:02 AM »
I've been running the dual flange filters since early 80's. The
original part # is RC-224/2. I think I am going to just take
a shot at ordering the RC-2240's because the dimension's
are exactly the same as what is on my bike now. The only
thing I am not sure of is the offset. All the pictures show
just the top and not the flanges. I love these dual filters
as they work great and are inexpensive and don't weigh
much.
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2012, 10:48:15 AM »
Not sure why this filter has not been mentioned in this thread.
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2012, 10:44:47 AM »
I've been running the dual flange filters since early 80's. The
original part # is RC-224/2. I think I am going to just take
a shot at ordering the RC-2240's because the dimension's
are exactly the same as what is on my bike now. The only
thing I am not sure of is the offset. All the pictures show
just the top and not the flanges. I love these dual filters
as they work great and are inexpensive and don't weigh
much.
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2012, 11:08:16 AM »
holly mother of god $350!!! how? is it made from moon material? un-obtanium?

i have this on my 550

Where did you get that?

whahahahha you cant lol! they dont make them any more! i pulled 3 of them in the junk yard. i have one on my bike, sold one, and still have 1 left that im thinking about selling. but the 3rd one i have is just the holly grail bracket. the filter was missing but you can go on the k&n website and buy the same style filters.

also you must use the K&N cleaner on the filters. u used to just clean my cars K&N short ram and cold air intakes with like gas and water..... but after giving in and buying the kit holly hell it makes such a huge difference. i thought the cleaning kit was just another ploy by a company to sell u extra stuff but man i will never clean my filters with anything else except for the cleaner they sell!!!

i mean i pulled those old K&N filters from the junkyard that have been sitting there for years getting nasty with animals living in it and stuff growing on them but after the K&N cleaner its like brand new!!!!







first solution takes off all the grit and grim and the old oil. the spray can has a special oil that has a red color that catches and holds particulates that doesnt restrict the filter its really cool

I knew it was old from the style of letters stamped in the black rubber. I know you are always gettign #$%* out of yards. I dont have any junkyards around here that have any motorcycles. I suppose I could make a plate like that. Does it go in the airbox or take the place of it and just use the plenum?
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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2012, 11:55:19 AM »
I have one if your interested.

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2012, 05:54:16 PM »
Whoooo Hoooooo, RC-2240'S are the correct one's. They fit perfect!!
You can find 2 for under $80 bucks. Problem solved, the ONLY draw
back is a strong crosswind on the open road can affect them. Good Luck
I've had my old ones on an 836-915 kit with 3 different cam profiles, Kerker
header and head work. Never had to change needles in carbs, just rejet.
No flat spots like pods!!!

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2012, 06:45:31 AM »
Whoooo Hoooooo, RC-2240'S are the correct one's. They fit perfect!!
You can find 2 for under $80 bucks. Problem solved, the ONLY draw
back is a strong crosswind on the open road can affect them. Good Luck
I've had my old ones on an 836-915 kit with 3 different cam profiles, Kerker
header and head work. Never had to change needles in carbs, just rejet.
No flat spots like pods!!!

I might have to order a set of these myself, they look pretty cool!




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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2012, 05:13:55 PM »
You will love em, but just beware of the possibility of a strong 30+ crosswind
on an open x-way will cause a bit of hesitation. This happened to me once in
the last few years. It's one of those things that take the right conditions. Also
you should rig up a support with tie straps to hold carbs up----no airbox bolts.
Good Luck!!! :)

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Re: CycleX Super High Volume Air Cleaner
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2018, 11:24:53 AM »
The difference in RC 2240 and 2240-2 is that the 2 has no K&N logo. The other has the logo and you will have to run one upside down for them to fit. Now my question what has anyone done to restrict airflow to jet? Or is it necessary ? I'm going to run them on a75 750k. Cross draft and rain a problem ? Where did you start your jetting process at  and where did you end up? ( I cut 2 oval stainless plates to cover logos )
Thanks.