Author Topic: Skull helmets(?) (Read 5898 times)

messeduptriple · « **on:** June 21, 2012, 06:06:17 AM »

Im curious has anyone gone down with a scull helmet and do they do the job? I've been riding rockets and have done plenty of track riding using my full face helmet I have.... gone down few times and the helmet always does the job. My question is a guy at work ..good friend ...mentioned yesterday that the helmet I have on wont do anything if I go down. Now im not looking to do any first hand experimentation on its quality but I did pay 60$ for it if that means anything and it does have the DOT on the back. So has anyone gone down and did the helmet work well? Thanks for any info
* the reason I haven't used a full face is because I built a cafe racer bike and I like the skull helmet goes perfect with the bike, a full face helmet would look a bit funny.
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kirkn · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:41:09 AM »

Well, if you land in such a way that the helmet hits cleanly / squarely, then it'll do it's job, assuming it's legitimate DOT - that is, not just a DOT sticker slapped on.

And, what means 'skull helmet'? Are you meaning a 'standard' 3/4 open-face helmet that covers the sides / back of your head basically the same amount as your full-face? Or a little 'beanie' helmet which more or less perches atop your head and doesn't really come down past your ears? Or ?

The real thing, of course, is what if your head hits sideways or you land on your face? In that case, you might as well depend on your haircut or your sunglasses to save your head.

Just do the crash in your imagination - if your head lands in such a way that the 'edge' of the helmet hits the ground, then there's only that small contact area available to 'spread' the impact and be absorbed within the helmet's inner shell. As compared to, say, a side- or rear- or face-impact where there's a larger area for the helmet to spread the impact over.

I think your co-worked was over-simplifying things to say that it won't do ANYthing... But, IMO, in anything less than a clean/square-on impact, it won't do nearly as much as a full-face, or even an open-face type.

Kirk

kirkn · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:43:43 AM »

...and not to be a wise-guy, but are you saying you don't wear a full-face helmet because it doesn't fit the 'costume' you're wearing while riding the cafe?

Sheesh, that sounds as bad, or as mock-worthy, as the Harley riders who all get dressed up in their fingerless gloves and wallets with chrome chains to go for a Sunday breakfast run.

Kirk

andy750 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:52:03 AM »

Quote from: kirkn on June 21, 2012, 07:43:43 AM

...and not to be a wise-guy, but are you saying you don't wear a full-face helmet because it doesn't fit the 'costume' you're wearing while riding the cafe?

Sheesh, that sounds as bad, or as mock-worthy, as the Harley riders who all get dressed up in their fingerless gloves and wallets with chrome chains to go for a Sunday breakfast run.

+1. I also agree with your co-worker; skull helmet = useless.

Take a look around the internet at photos of motorcycle crashes and gear reports (there are plenty) - 9/10 the full face helmet has a big scrape on the front where your nose/mouth is. Imagine for a brief second how your face is going to be scraped off wearing the skull helmet. Good luck eating through a straw with your jaw wired together and see how cool you look then

Or just ride slow like the Harley guys and hope you dont crash (which in Mass is a very good chance given the crappy drivers).

knowsnothing · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2012, 12:10:00 PM »

I took the motorcycle training course to get my license not too long ago. They had a helmet that was sectioned it off into different areas. Each area had the percent of hitting that spot in an accident based on the tally of real life occurrences. Basically a ridiculously high % of accident victims hit their jaw/chin area in a crash. Anything less than a full face isn't going to cut it.

MikeZ · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2012, 12:26:02 PM »

My GF dumped a bike during her motorcycle training class at parking lot speeds. Without a full face helmet she would at minimum broke her jaw and lost a lot of skin but since she had a full face helmet it took all the damage.
Full face helmets don't always look cool but either does broken bones, missing teeth and road rash

dave500 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2012, 12:28:10 PM »

im surprised the track you go to dosent insist on full face only?

BrockSamson · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2012, 01:26:53 PM »

I can't imagine you are talking about something like that...

jamesb · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2012, 01:28:53 PM »

if looks is what your after why not try one of these styles to meet your look of the cafe bike personanly i don't where a helmet i might buy one this weekend though a Z1R jimmy helmet they have a retro style. but if the "skull helmet" you have is what i'm thinkig of like the one pictured i really don't think it's going to offer much protection i know for a fact that your jaw/chin area take a lot of impact when involved in a mc wreck. here is a couple of cafe style/retro helmets that would offer better protection in my personal opinion but don't take the advice of the guy who doesn't wear one

seanbarney41 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2012, 01:43:00 PM »

Quote from: messeduptriple on June 21, 2012, 06:06:17 AM

* the reason I haven't used a full face is because I built a cafe racer bike and I like the skull helmet goes perfect with the bike, a full face helmet would look a bit funny.
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that is flat out the lamest thing of heard anyone say on this forum

messeduptriple · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:07:49 PM »

Quote from: jamesb on June 21, 2012, 01:28:53 PM

if looks is what your after why not try one of these styles to meet your look of the cafe bike personanly i don't where a helmet i might buy one this weekend though a Z1R jimmy helmet they have a retro style. but if the "skull helmet" you have is what i'm thinkig of like the one pictured i really don't think it's going to offer much protection i know for a fact that your jaw/chin area take a lot of impact when involved in a mc wreck. here is a couple of cafe style/retro helmets that would offer better protection in my personal opinion but don't take the advice of the guy who doesn't wear one

hey those are pretty sweet...where can I find that 2nd or 4th helmet???

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Retro Rocket · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:21:32 PM »

The 4th helmet is the only one worth wearing out of that lot. I've said this before on this forum but here we go again, i saw a guy hit the back of a car on his bike one night about 30 years ago, he was wearing a half face helmet and died at the scene, his onlky injuries apart from some scratches to his hands and knees was a broken neck and half his face torn off, he was wearing a half face helmet and slid down the road on his chin, the helmet slipped back over his head and broke his neck. I always wear a full face helmet...
If you have a 2 dollar head then wear a 2 dollar helmet..... Helmets are NOT a fashion statement, they are a life preserver and safety device....

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personanly i don't where a helmet

Sorry James but you are a fool....

CrankyOldGuy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:16:20 PM »

This may help with your decision.

Harry O.

jamesb · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:22:52 PM »

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personanly i don't where a helmet

Sorry James but you are a fool....
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it don't bother me.it would be like me telling you not to smoke or drink alcohol it's your life do what you want

messeduptriple · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:37:20 PM »

Quote from: Retro Rocket on June 21, 2012, 06:21:32 PM

The 4th helmet is the only one worth wearing out of that lot. I've said this before on this forum but here we go again, i saw a guy hit the back of a car on his bike one night about 30 years ago, he was wearing a half face helmet and died at the scene, his onlky injuries apart from some scratches to his hands and knees was a broken neck and half his face torn off, he was wearing a half face helmet and slid down the road on his chin, the helmet slipped back over his head and broke his neck. I always wear a full face helmet...
If you have a 2 dollar head then wear a 2 dollar helmet..... Helmets are NOT a fashion statement, they are a life preserver and safety device....

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personanly i don't where a helmet
Sorry James but you are a fool....

that sounds right ...my buddy was telling me that today...that the helmet will slide back and critically mess up your neck. Wow. Thanks ....I will switch back to my AGV. Thanks

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LesterPiglet · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:55:33 AM »

The only major accident I had was when I hit an armco barrier at quite a speed. I was running a 250 triple at top speed for a length of time and the vibes seemed to hypnotise me. Anyhoo, I spent 10 days in hospital with a broken nose and upper jaw. When I got out I looked at my helmet and there was a great big v shape in the visor. If it had been open face I wouldn't be writing this now.

thrutheframe · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2012, 08:50:28 PM »

Full face full time.

DJ_AX · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2012, 03:49:41 PM »

Quote from: jamesb on June 21, 2012, 07:22:52 PM

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personanly i don't where a helmet
Sorry James but you are a fool....

it don't bother me.it would be like me telling you not to smoke or drink alcohol it's your life do what you want

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To each his own.

Full face for me.

and occasionally I smoke.. I know, crazy right?

jamesb · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2012, 04:16:44 PM »

i hope you wear a helmet while smoking. it shouldn't matter if a person chooses to not wear one. I'm pretty sure the people who ridicule me do a lot worse than go helmetless drinking smoking who knows what else.and if they do those things then they are no less than a fool themselves.personaly i don't drink, smoke, or due drugs.but if others want to do those things thats fine like you said it's your life.

FunJimmy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2012, 04:29:40 PM »

Quote from: jamesb on June 23, 2012, 04:16:44 PM

i hope you wear a helmet while smoking. it shouldn't matter if a person chooses to not wear one. I'm pretty sure the people who ridicule me do a lot worse than go helmetless drinking smoking who knows what else.and if they do those things then they are no less than a fool themselves.personaly i don't drink, smoke, or due drugs.but if others want to do those things thats fine like you said it's your life.

That logic flies if the public purse doesn’t have to pick up the tab for the injuries and ongoing assisted living costs incurred by your stupidity. Once that burden becomes the responsibility of others, your decision to be a fool is purely selfish!

jamesb · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:23:45 PM »

i have very good health insurance so don't worry about me costing you anything. what is costing me is the people that drink and smoke which makes my health insurance outrageous so again.....

DJ_AX · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:55:32 PM »

Dang FunJimmy... nice bike man!

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2012, 09:41:05 PM »

Quote from: jamesb on June 23, 2012, 08:23:45 PM

i have very good health insurance so don't worry about me costing you anything. what is costing me is the people that drink and smoke which makes my health insurance outrageous so again.....

James , i wasn't trying to offend you at all, just making a point but if you want to bring drinking and smoking into it we may as well know what you eat and drink as they are all relevant to health. You seem to overlook the burden people leave with their loved ones after a critical head injury, the cost isn't monetary {well it is sometimes} but is devastating all the same, saying its your choice to do that is selfish as well... I have had a couple of motorcycle accidents, they were not my fault, i was hit and left to die in the bush by some idiot that couldn't control their car in the wet, my head hit a tree and my helmet was ripped off, i had a fractured skull and broken jaw, without a helmet or even a half face, i wouldn't be here to talk about it. It doesn't take much impact to end up in a vegetative state, you will only ever fall off once helmet less, and sooner or later it WILL happen...Why even bother with health insurance if you don't wear a helmet after all, they are a form of insurance...

BeSeeingYou · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2012, 09:49:21 PM »

Lifted this from Center for Disease Control website.

Smoking is also a major contributor to many chronic diseases that are driving up the nation's health care costs. Each year, diseases caused by cigarette smoking result in $96 billion in health care costs, much of which is paid by taxpayers through publicly-funded health programs.

According to a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, excessive alcohol consumption costs taxpayers $223.5 billion in 2006.

From the DOT

The Department of Transportation (DOT) estimates that the yearly taxpayer cost for injuries directly attributed to non-helmet wearing motorcyclists is over $900 million. So nation-wide, the annual cost to taxpayers approaches $1 billion.

So before anyone starts pissing and moaning about having to pick up the tab for not wearing a helmet....better look in the mirror and put out that cig and stop the excessive consumption of alcohol.
Or maybe we ban cigs and alcohol altogether.

There are plenty of valid arguments for wearing a helmet but the taxpayer cost angle is pretty weak.

Just saying.....

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2012, 10:04:04 PM »

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So before anyone starts pissing and moaning about having to pick up the tab for not wearing a helmet

Got it all worked out now, the only thing that will kill you is cigs , alcohol and not wearing a helmet.... If your that into statistics Steve, look at what eating sh1t food does to your countries bottom line. Anyway, who cares, wearing no helmet is still stupid..

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Author Topic: Skull helmets(?) (Read 5898 times)

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