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anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« on: May 11, 2005, 12:40:28 AM »
Hey, I'm workin on my little 890cc project, and sorta dig the oldschool look of the wrapped headers seen on old hotrods, anyone done this to there bike? 

Ok I admit, I wanna do it because the stock 4into1 headers are lookin a little tired, but I'm custom fitting  a D&D sportbike pipe on the back of them and don't wanna spring for a new Mac or Kerker full system, to just get the headers...


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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2005, 01:21:43 AM »
Lost me here. What the hell is "wrapped"?
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 01:47:49 AM »
Thermal wrapping is something quite popular with car racers, it keeps the heat in the exhaust system and reduces that of the engine bay, allowing the fuel/air mixture to remain cooler, which benefits the engines efficiency. I've seen it used on motorcycle exhaust systems, but considering that motorcycle engines are generally not encapsulated like cars, the benefits are not immediately apparent, to me at least.

Aesthetically I wouldn't think that wrapping is particularly attractive, HPC ceramic thermal coating is a lot nicer I believe, and like Powder coating has excellent filling qualities. Virtually any old exhaust system can be coated in any number of colors including an interesting "aluminum" finish, and at less than half the price of a cheap system, is excellent value too. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2005, 01:52:25 AM »
Sounds to me like a nice satin black would go nicely against the engine and a chromed pipe/can.
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 04:41:14 AM »
I think Carpy built a cafe racer with wrapped headers. Since he changed his website around, I haven't been able to find the pic of it. He likes to use the black pipes with a chrome muffler tip. Looks sharp!
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2005, 06:37:19 AM »
It depends on what kind of look you are going for. Wrapped headers on bikes are popular on "olskool" style chops that are meant to look purposeful (not show queens) and "hardcore" cafer racers/streetfighters. This is not a look for a bike with a lot of chrome. It is cheaper and easier than chrome, about the same price as a cheepie paint job, but definatly less messy and low maintenance. I have done one bike with a wrapped 4 into 1 (sorry no pics) and here are a few observations/suggestions:

1) unless you are going for an antiqued rat bike look, don't use white header wrap. It will yellow/gray with in a month and just look grungy. If you have a rat bike this will enhance it's tought image, if you have a nice looking bike it will make it look dirty. Black header wrap is available, easy to work with, and will wear a lot better. Plus on bikes with a lot of shiney and flat black parts it will blend right in.

2) It does have a small effect on cooling. considering the pipes on most 4into 1s run right under the crank case heating up the oil. Header wrap helps slow this process. The bike I used header wrap on used to overheat and detonate on hot days in city traffic with 93 octane. After I wrapped the header it ran a little cooler and the detonation went away. Every little bit helps expically when the bike has a big overbore. Combine this with an oil cooler and a few other tricks and they add up to a big difference

3) You don't have to wait for it dry, you don't have to mask anything, if it starts to look funky, you just rewrap it (which takes about 20 minutes). However unless you have 4 drap pipes or stright pipes there will be sections of the 4into 1 exposed (it is really tough to get the whole thing wrapped and can look messy) On my 4 into one I gave it a quick and dirty coat of high temp black paint (I had sandblasted the chrome off) cured it and then wrapped the individual sections and the larger collector leving the junctions exposed. It looked very racebike-ish. Next time I am going to try flat silver and black header wrap, should look boss. To do a complete 4 into one you have to wrap each header pipe as much as you can (start at the collector and work up) and then take a new section and go over the collector, it can look kinda bulky and mummy-ish if not done right.

if your bike looks like serious business and not a rolling scuplture I say go for it. Worst case you can always take it off and re use it somewhere else. From the sounds of it you are building a badass streetfighter so why not, it will only make it looks tougher.

Post some pics when you get a chance, I'm sure we would all like to see it. Good liuck
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2005, 07:02:18 AM »
Wraping them is much easier than preping them for coating and such.  I personally would go for the finished look and make the welds and joints look good for coating.  If you just want to hide pipes of different finishes that you weld together quickly go ahead and wrap em. 

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2005, 07:28:03 AM »
...I don't think anybody mentioned it here, but heat wrap is also used on chops where the pipes might be close to u'r legs, and thus offers some protection from burning yourself.
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 10:57:27 AM »
Thanks for the insight fellas!!

I'm definatly not ending up with a show pony here, I'm really going for a cross between old school looks, and throwing in some modern wheels, brakes and suspension, tossin in a big bore kit, and a streetbike can to spice it up.  so I think the wrap could really add a bit of "edge" to the finished product, and perhaps scavange some heat away from my lump of a motor!!

I'll try and get some pics of the work in progress, and hopefully a running bike soone too!!!


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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2005, 09:04:56 PM »
It looks good on tired mufflers too, you can split a beercan in half and "patch the holes", the wrap holds the halves nicely in place.
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2005, 09:46:55 PM »
I noticed today, this cafe racer for sale on ebay has black wrapped headers.  I am not sure who this is, but I thought I would send the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80647&item=4549440652&rd=1

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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2005, 01:18:02 AM »
Nice looking bike, but short on detail, who in their right mind would build a bike with bars that low and no "rear set" footpegs? Geez, you'd look like "The Hunch-back of Notre Dame" after half an hour on that bike?  ???

Also, as nice as epoxy paint is, it doesn't hold a candle to powder-coating the rims etc, and looking at the rest of the bike, it's been built to a price, so for the kind of money he's asking, (between $4000 and $8000) I think it's way over-priced.

I'm sure that Mike Rieck would be very happy to build a prospective "Cafe racer" a real racer for the road, and not just a "theme bike" for that kind of money? If it wasn't for the shipping, I'd buy one! Cheers, Terry.  8)
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Re: anyone "wrapped" thier headers?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2005, 05:38:09 AM »
This "cafe'd" 400 on eBay UK at the moment
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