Topic: Harley snob could not start bike at gas sattion.

[huntman58]

LMAO!    Love the lyrics... and if Raul is old, I'm in big trouble... (I'm going on 48)

 same here and also going on 48 in the next few days so dose this mean i got to grow up?
 dam I want a v twin always have from the 70's . now let sing it again hot flooded ......................

[eldar]

Funny but I have never flooded my 78k. I pull the choke and hit the button, once it fires, I hit the gas then. works this way either electric or kick. If warm, no choke needed or very little.

[seaweb11]

I'm with ya there Eldar.
My K8 needs the choke on for all of 100 yards and then it just interfears with the massive smooth running power of a bike well thought out after 7 years in production

Nice that you helped the poor sob out. Unless you build one of these, how would you know anthing beyond the cell phone.

Example:
I was coming home tonight from daughters softball game and there was my wife's newly restored CL350 parked about 1/4 mile from our house. "ALL ALONE".  I stopped and immediately looked at the fuel control. Sure enough, she had not turned it on at home and couldn't figure out she had just run the carbs out of gas

I did give her a lift back to her bike with a knowing smile that she is now on the learning curve of running a bike, not just riding one

[JonnyHonda]

Let's face it, when you've had the same or similar bike for a while, you get used to the way it starts, a litttle choke here, a slight twist of the throttle there,

But a lot of these guy only ride when theres a Z in the month, and it has to 180 in the shade, only ride in packs of 50 (thats's age not number) and probably only do less than 100 mile a year.

I had an owner of one of the big triumph crusiers tell me I was wasteing my time with old Jap Crap, 'cos Triumph were back, nearly flattened me when I told him that the reason that Triumph went bust in the first place was because of bike like the SOHC.

[eldar]

Some cant handle the truth very well.  Tell some harley nut about them almost going under and how the US govt saved them. there are so many that like to think they are rebels, that their response with show no thinking at all.

[dusterdude]

Some cant handle the truth very well.  Tell some harley nut about them almost going under and how the US govt saved them. there are so many that like to think they are rebels, that their response with show no thinking at all.

not that on again.

[eldar]

Not starting anything. Just adding to jonnyhonda there. It is a fact that that happens. I would not care if I rode a harley or a triumph. Just stating that some people get so caught up in their image that no one can say anything bad about their bike.  kinda like making fun of trekkies!

[dusterdude]

hey!!,whats wrong with trekkies?spock is the man...err vulcan.

[Orcinus]

Actually, we prefer the term "Trekkers"  Thank you very much!

[Magpie]

Thank goodness we know so much and they know so little!

[eldar]

Nope it is trekkie! trekkers are explorers! I suppose trekker would work for trekkies as they explore the depths of geekdom!! Hey I watch trek but it is no star wars! More kinda like buck rodgers with better effects!

[Ted Nomura]

My then new 1983 Yamaha XZ550RK Vision, the first bike I ever bought without a kick-starter, had the same hot-flooding problem, it was especially worse during the hot Las Vegas summer. At first, I nearly ran out of battery juice trying to restart it until I had to let the bike cool down, then it restarted right away. It was later that I realized that I can start it with full choke and full throttle.

Of course since then, most of bikes I now own have kick-starters, by choice! I still have my Vision. I originally bought it because I thought it looked cool. Now at least I don't look foolish trying to restart the bike.

[Stormer]

Great story Brent!

[8 Track]

Hot flooded...  I read through the entire thread to see if there was the explanation that I was thinking and it wasn't there, so here's my thoughts:

When that hot bike sits for 10 minutes or so, the fuel in the bowls heat sink, raising the level, causing it to be richer and possibly flooded.  Obviously, then, all of the tricks mentioned earlier will work.  Has anyone ever topped off their tank after a long ride, park the bike in the garage and have the tank over flow all over the engine?  Same theory and I think that's the reason.

[jsaab2748]

Does anyone know why technically this method of starting a hot and flooded engine works?
Seriously, and I aint tryin to be a smart ass, it just seems to be backwards. Please explain.

[TwoTired]

A flooded engine, hot or cold, has too much fuel to support combustion.  Fuel must be atomized in a narrow range of ratios in order to burn.

Opening the throttle wide allows maximum air to flow through and flush the existing over rich mixture in the chambers out, and a new properly balanced charge of fuel/air into the combustion chamber.  Add ignition...Varroom.

Cheers,

[74cb750]

Will this work with women whom are Hot Flooded? Just curious as the wife sometimes
gets flooded and hot words come out.
Sincerely awaiting your reply Dear Abby.
peace

[jsaab2748]

A flooded engine, hot or cold, has too much fuel to support combustion.  Fuel must be atomized in a narrow range of ratios in order to burn.

Opening the throttle wide allows maximum air to flow through and flush the existing over rich mixture in the chambers out, and a new properly balanced charge of fuel/air into the combustion chamber.  Add ignition...Varroom.

Cheers,

This is what I thought, but previous posts suggest closing the choke (?) while the throttle is wide open.

[TwoTired]

Yeah that seemed odd to me as well.  But, he was talking about a 83 Yamaha, also.  No doubt the carbs would be different than an SOHC4.
On my Cb700SC, for example, the choke is actually a bystarter.  These are CV carbs and each carb has this instead of the familiar choke block off plates.  It is a valve that enriches the mixture for cold starting.  Likely it limits just how rich the mixture can get.  Probably instigated by emissions regulation.  It hasn't given any hint of hot flooding, though.  But, the starter motor is another issue entirely.  I rue the day they phased out kick starters.  But, I digress...

Anyway, I had someone tell me they can't get their bike to run unless they wear a red shirt and spit on the front tire first.  "Starts every time", he says.  He didn't seem to appreciate my chuckle, and it became apparent that he was serious.  I decided it was pointless to ask about the science behind that.
 Fortunately, he didn't appear to have a tobacco chewing habit.

Cheers,

[rab1dwolf]

Anyway, I had someone tell me they can't get their bike to run unless they wear a red shirt and spit on the front tire first.  "Starts every time", he says.

hehe whatever works i geuss:)  My bike doesnt like starting for anyone but me. and sometimes not even for me if I don't at least say hello to i before riding it.....

I geuss bikes ARE alot like women...

[Uncle Ernie]

Been thinking for a while about this.  I figure it's either wanger envy or reverse snobbism- or a combination thereof.  Perhaps one envies the New HD owners ability to go out and spend untold dollars on a toy?  Perhaps one is phylosophically opposed to unneccessary expenditures or cultural excesses?  Parenthetically, anything beyond walking is excess, reallly.

Anyhoo- what I'm thinnking is that everyone has to learn sometime.  I didn't always know how to tie my shoes.  Now, I can tie a bow tie but a lot of people can't.  I'll be glad to do it for you if you're in the neighborhood.

[jwalters]

Here's the way I look at it, and it might change when I get a bit older and have more $$$ but probably not. 
Its not just a Hardley thing, I really wanted and still do, a BMW R1200GS Adventure, but I got to thinking about how money they cost and put it into perspective.  And Hardleys are the same way.

$20K for the bike

or

$10K for a solid running bike
$2K for bike lift
$5K for covered trailer
$1K for new trackday leathers
$2k for lots of new tools to fill the trailer

or

$1K on a used "project bike"
$2K in parts for the bike
$1K in more parts for the bike you forgot you needed 
you get the picture.

Sorry if I am taking this thread on a tangent...

[smashme33]

 We have a Harley/Honda shop here. The place is pretty much as non-Honda as you can get ,though. They have absolutely no stock on Honda parts, even though they sell new Hondas and have a Honda sign outside. But they have everything you could dream of for Harley, genuine replacement and aftermarket accessories. It seems like there has been a super strong resurgence in H-D sales because a lot of the newbie bikers are buying these things up with the "SUV mentality" that shows us that they spent a lot of money. I have nothing against H-D in general, they've really made some cool bikes that I like, but I think that most of the snotty "riders" that I have encountered have been on these newer hogs, sneering and scoffing at me and other old school Jap riders, like "what the hell are you riding?". Making nasty comments from the other side of the gas pump, about how bikes like mine are dated and unattractive. All because we don't plunk down $24,000 for an image. It's these same people riding a full-dress H-D that I see taking off from a stop, dragging their feet and off balance when their feet should already be on the floorboards. See these guys? The ones that are putting their feet down too early before a stop sign, again dragging, off balance, about to drop it...gonna stop that hog with your boots, buddy? Try the brakes! A "real" biker knows that no matter what he/she's riding, that the relationship between the rider and the bike is special, image is nothing, the experience is beautiful. Just the pure love of two wheels and the wind.

[eldar]

Are you talking about the harley riders that require the whole lane as weaving space while they try to get moving?

[Brent C.]

Are you talking about the harley riders that require the whole lane as weaving space while they try to get moving?

HAHAHHA!!!!! Too true!!!


Our Honda shop here in Cheyenne is a Harley shop as well....and just as stated as above....no love for metric parts......plus all the sales people are COMPLETE SNOBS!!!! I no longer buy ANYTHING from them. I went in to buy two oil filters for my two hondas.....and I stood in line at the parts counter fot 10 mins before anyone showed up, and when they did show up the guy looked right past me to the guy in black leather with a bandana that just walk in and helped him instead!!!!!!!!

I have never been back.