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Offline AnthonyMichael

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I went to tighten my chain today as there was way too much slack.

As I started to loosen the bolt on the chain adjuster, it snapped off leaving the other half stuck in the thread.

I proceeded to adjust the chain, made sure everything lined up and tightened the good chain adjuster then tightened the axel nut, put the cotter pin in and left the other adjuster alone.

Obviously I need to use an Easy Out, remove the bolt and put a new one in, but will the chain adjuster on one side missing a bolt have an affect on anything in the meantime? Part of me says no but another thought I should ask.

Going on a long ride tomorrow too.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 05:36:26 PM »
We would have to see it, but just the fact that you asking us to approve of your repair means you have no confidence that it is roadworthy. Just fix it properly if you have any doubts.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 06:01:31 PM »
How did you adj. the side with the broken bolt? Did you loosen the jam nut before you tried to loosen the bolt?

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 06:25:03 PM »
We would have to see it, but just the fact that you asking us to approve of your repair means you have no confidence that it is roadworthy. Just fix it properly if you have any doubts.

What kind of response is that? I don't have doubts about my repair, I just wanted to know, can you run a bike properly without chain adjusters basically. Yes or no?

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 06:30:44 PM »
I would not ride without a chain adjuster on one side but sounds like half of yours is in place? Should be fairly easy/quick to replace the bolt.
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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 06:41:36 PM »
I also would not ride without both undamaged chain adjusters in place. Not only could you lock up the rear wheel and have a bad crash, you could damage the engine case, etc. I guess you have to decide if you are a betting man. As for me, I would hold off on the ride until I get the proper bolt. Good luck with it.
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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 08:19:12 PM »
If the half of the bolt is still there locked in with the jam and nut pressing on the end block... imho it'd be fine. Great if you were on the road already and needed to get somewhere. But of course it's your call...
If the axel nut is the only thing holding the wheel in position then I'd be worried.
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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 08:57:26 PM »
 If you just snapped off the head of the bolt and the lock nut is still holding the rest of the bolt in place and everything is tight,I dont see that being a big deal.
 But If it were me I would want to replace it asap for the next chain adjustment.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 09:01:43 PM »
 Nevermind I just re read your post so PLEASE! disregard my last response.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2012, 09:21:13 AM »
I just wanted to know, can you run a bike properly without chain adjusters basically. Yes or no?

Maybe...  ???
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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2012, 09:40:28 AM »
Ok after discussing with a bunch of people in person and thinking about it, the chain adjusters do nothing but help you adjust the chain from side to side and have no bearing on keeping the axel on the bike what so ever. Just think about the logistics of it. It's only attached to the axel itself, not the axel and frame. If the nut were to come off the chain adjusters would do nothing to keep the axel on.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And fyi, I went to my local shop and got the correct replacement part. Bike is all together and chain is adjusted.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2012, 10:26:12 AM »
We would have to see it, but just the fact that you asking us to approve of your repair means you have no confidence that it is roadworthy. Just fix it properly if you have any doubts.

What kind of response is that? I don't have doubts about my repair, I just wanted to know, can you run a bike properly without chain adjusters basically. Yes or no?

The answer I gave is because you do not have the experience to know if your bike is road worthy, and there is no photo of the chain adjusters or what is left of them.
As a mechanic I would not want to tell you to use the motorcycle not even having seen it, knowing it could come undone and get you hurt or killed.

 I am sorry if you do not like my answer. I am sorry it hurt your feelings.



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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2012, 10:45:26 AM »
Assuming its the CB750:

This issue has come up before and my position is thus:

The chain adjusting mechanism, brackets and bolts, is there to adjust the chain and that's all. After the chain is adjusted you crank down on the axle nut to 75ft lbs and that is all that holds the wheel. The adjuster mechanism is not intended to be a fail safe to improper axle nut tension.

Some people have been unintentionally saved by these bolts, but the problem was lack of axle nut torque.

With the axle nut cranked down you can remove those bolts and put them in your pocket. The only reason they have lock nuts is to hold them in place so they will be there the next time you need them.

Now about breaking one. Those are hardened bolts. I know others have broken them but i can't imagine how. Either the axle was not loose enough or they seized in the bracket (rust).

This is all my opinion. I'm looking for documentation to back me up.

Well my Google search turns up many other forums where this discussion takes place. In many cases someone claims that the adjusters were an important part of holding the wheel. But then they don't disclose if they had torqued the axle nut full or not.

Still, no absolute definitive has been found. But i stick with my opinion, willing to discuss it, not likely to change my mind.

There have been threads here where the rider said he only snugged his axle nut because he was afraid of binding his bearings. Yikes! That took some explaining.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2012, 11:07:27 AM by MCRider »
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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2012, 11:00:14 AM »
Ok after discussing with a bunch of people in person and thinking about it, the chain adjusters do nothing but help you adjust the chain from side to side and have no bearing on keeping the axel on the bike what so ever. Just think about the logistics of it. It's only attached to the axel itself, not the axel and frame. If the nut were to come off the chain adjusters would do nothing to keep the axel on.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

First off I'm glad you got it fixed. I would not say it has nothing to do with keeping the axel straight. Think about if you did not torque the axel nut correctly. The adjuster with its double nut system helps keep it in place. A little back up if you will. Maybe I missed it but I don't recall if the outside adj. nut was still in place. I understand some people answer in a way that seems offensive. It has happened to me and I probably have done it myself not meaning to. But like I said you got it fixed and that is what counts. one More thing it is not the axel and frame. It is the axel and swingarm.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2012, 11:58:31 AM »
MCrider and bollingball thanks for your responses. What you both said made complete sense.

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Re: Will I have problems if my chain adjuster is missing it's bolt?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2012, 03:32:55 PM »
Glad to hear you found the proper parts and repaired it.  Ride on!
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