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Offline vaughnsmith

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new bike and rider 81 650
« on: July 04, 2012, 06:10:44 PM »
Hi All!  I’m to the board and new to my bike.  I just bought an ’81 cb650 custom.  This is my first street bike, but I have been riding and wrenching 4 stroke dirt bikes for a while.  In addition my Brother in law has about every tool known to man and has been working on all sorts of engines for many years. This is what the PO told me.  He cleaned the carbs this spring (but put them back together with the original parts).  New battery this spring.  Recently new coils and new wires.  Tank has been sealed (this spring) and new gas lines installed with filter.  He also gave me a Clymer manual.

When I first test rode the bike it started right up and tool about 3 min before it would run without choke.  When I first started out it missed a little but smoothed out very quickly.  The only thing I questioned was it seemed to have a lack of power.  It is not burning oil and starts on the first touch of the button.

What I did to it.  When I got home I drained the oil, changed the oil filter and air filter.  I set the timing (static- I don’t have a timing light yet.)  We also checked the valve clearance and adjusted the timing chain.  When I put it back together, I put in new plugs.

When riding the bike seems to do fine and is very smooth until you get above 5000 RPM.  But as it gets warm, the power seems to be much less.  If I’m riding at 40-50 mph (about 4000-4500) and try to pass the engine feels like one cylinder is cutting in and out.  It has a hard time pulling above 6000 and has a great deal more vibration.

My brother in law suggested a compression test.  With engine still warm, we got #1-90lbs, #2-91lbs, #3 84lbs, #4 90lbs.  His comment was that he was surprised the thing even ran with that poor of compression.  He squirted some oil in each cylinder and the compression went up to 185 except # 3 which was 168.  He indicated the bike really needs rings but seems the valves are good. (could not believe it wasn’t burning oil)

Of course we are going to do rings as soon as we get all the parts we need.  My question is do you think that the poor “HOT” performance and the missing/ dropping a cylinder is because of the low compression, or should I get the parts to take apart the carbs while I’m at it?  BTW the plugs for #2 and #4 cylinder look perfect, #1 is a bit dark, and #3 is black and wet.  I have not done a plug chop because the bike simply won’t run well enough at WOT.  It does, however idle fine at 1100 rpm.  Also the PO told me that the auto gas off has been removed.

BTW is there anywgere that tells what month a bike was built in?  I was born in april '81 just wondering if the bike is older then me <G>

Offline fmctm1sw

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Re: new bike and rider 81 650
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 06:17:41 PM »
Welcome.  There sure seems to be a lot of 650's floating around the boards lately.  I would resolve the compression issue before anything else.  Did the bike sit for any length of time?  I had a 350F that had sat and the compression was all around 100psi.  I put some miles on it and they were all 150 before too long.  I'd recheck compression to make sure before I sunk money into new rings.
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Offline vaughnsmith

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Re: new bike and rider 81 650
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 06:53:51 PM »
Yes, this poor bike has a history of sitting.  The guy I bought it from bought it from a place where it has sat for 10 years.  He bought it about 5 years ago  put a lot of time and work into it then he bought a Harley and this sat for 4 years until this spring when he got it running again.  I have put about 200 miles on it.  The gas mileage is very poor.  My first full tank went bone dry in 84 miles, unfourtanly I needed 85 mile to get to the gas station.  The bike seems to run very hot, but I haven't been on an air cooled bike in a while, so I may be wrong.

Offline tomkimberly

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Re: new bike and rider 81 650
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 07:47:26 PM »
I hate to say this, but clean the carbs, again. It seems on these bikes it takes several tries to really get them clean and in working order. I would not worry too much about the compression and if and when you adjust the vales, make sure to leave them on the loose side.

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Re: new bike and rider 81 650
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 10:22:19 PM »
+1 on what Tom  said.
and don't bother with the carb kit.
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Re: new bike and rider 81 650
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 04:15:58 PM »
A little update.  The bike went down to 2 cylinders today.  Checked the spark and all 4 are nice and strong.  I noticed that there was a lot of gas on the cases.  So I did what I could with carbs on the bike.  I checked the gas level with a clear tube and opening the drain.  The #3 (my bad cylinder) was low.  I pulled the float bowls.  #4 carb has the web supporting the pivot cracked on one side.  So I need one new float (but so far can't find one on e-bay)  The #3 cylinder has two problems.  The float needle has a pin on the top that is spring loaded on the other pins, on this carb the little shaft is frozen.  A little soak in blaster and some fiddleing and that was taken care of.  The bigger problem is that one of the float bowl screws is stripped.  To fix that for now, I'm going to tap it for the next size bigger screw.  Hope I can do that without taking the carbs off.

The gaskets are all flatten out.  I'm going to have to take the carbs off when I do the rings, so for now I'll just use some silicon gasket maker.  I have to buy that, so that will have to wait until tomorrow. 

SO for now my big problem is finding one float without paying the Honda dealer a huge amount of money for a new one.