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A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« on: July 06, 2012, 07:24:38 AM »
I got my bucket all wired in for the most part, but i have a few "extra wires" New harness from cb750 supply,and a new rh control from honda (does not have on/off for headlight control)
1. Coming out of the lh control i have a solid black with yellow tracer. I cannot for the life of me find a black/yel wire on a schematic anywhere. I am almost positive that it's for the buzzer. Male end on connector


2. I also have 4 female wires coming out of the new cb750 supply harness they are all brown
1. brown w/wite tracer
2. Solid brown
3. Two seperate brown w/red tracers and they also have white heatshrink on them. i believe these were intended for the headlight kill switch wich mine does not have.    Any leads appreciated thanx

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 01:05:17 PM »
UPDATE!!! After of messin with this for hrs i found that my replacement controls ore off a k7. The lh control has a  wire to control the hi/lo headlamp. The rh has a shut off for the headlight when using the start button. Now when using the start button the bike is a no no crank no start. The headlights do flash though. And one more thing should the front markers stay on constant? or do they shut off with the high beams on. I would post pics but i gots no camera today.

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 01:38:32 PM »
Also tailight only works when key is on acc not run.??

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 09:52:50 PM »
I got my bucket all wired in for the most part, but i have a few "extra wires" New harness from cb750 supply,and a new rh control from honda (does not have on/off for headlight control)
1. Coming out of the lh control i have a solid black with yellow tracer. I cannot for the life of me find a black/yel wire on a schematic anywhere. I am almost positive that it's for the buzzer. Male end on connector


2. I also have 4 female wires coming out of the new cb750 supply harness they are all brown
1. brown w/wite tracer
2. Solid brown
3. Two seperate brown w/red tracers and they also have white heatshrink on them. i believe these were intended for the headlight kill switch wich mine does not have.    Any leads appreciated thanx

3. First: the Brn/Rd ones go to the middle fuse at the fuseblock. This is the headlight fuse circuit. Some bikes have differing colors from the hand switches here: the headlight wire from the START buttom may be either Blk/Rd, Blk/Yel, or Bn/Rd, depending on the switch (and year it came from). But, it will have power on it when the START button is released, and no power on it when the button is pressed. That's the headlight feed from the right side.

2. Brn/Wht is the taillight circuit. In the headlight, this is usually fed from the Brn/Red that comes back from the fuse, or if your bike still has the keyswitch on the handlebars, from the keyswitch.

1. The all-Brn wires are taillight power, non-switched. It goes from the headlight bucket, thru the top fuse on the fuseblock, to the taillight.

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 05:12:18 AM »
I was hoping you might be of assistance. Thank you.  I am headed to the shop with my camera in a few. Is it normal operation for the front markers to turn off with the high beams on? Also is it normal (i assume by your book that i have the single pole double throw start switch) when pushing the starter button the headlights shutoff then come back on when released? Thanx

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 06:27:47 AM »
I have so many issues it is hard to seperate. ill start with this, I have 3 schematics here, a emgo ign switch mounted by #1 cylinder. I have no power to my brown/white connector in the bucket. The tach/speedo lights are in op, they have a good ground and the bulbs are good. I have ground on the brown/white connector at the main switch with the key in run only. I have no voltage here. I also only have voltage going to the 5a tailight fuse with the key on accy (all the way back). Furthermore the single solid brown unused connector ( female)in the bucket will turn on the tailight if i supply voltage to it. It shows this as a dead wire in the 750f diagram. On the k5 schematic it shows a brown and white going to the headlight control. I do not have this wire in my new switch. And lastly as you had stated Hondaman the brown/red splices into the brown/white in the middle of the schematic on the k5 diagram.  Hopefully this is somewhat clear. Ill be here all day.

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 07:56:32 AM »
Im starting over. pushed all turnsignals etc and know working stuff to the side. Gonna break it down wire by wire.
First the Clutch switch is junk. Brandy new from cb750 supply open circuit and oh yeah the colors are G/Y and Black not even close to the original colors of Green and Green with red tracer.

Next i have a single female black connector in the bucket that has 12v with key on. I looked in the schematic and found no single black connector in the bucket. only the 4 female black connector.

Btw i am using the orig k5 schemaitc that come with my owners man, and the 750f schematic from the shop manual. The Color clymers schematic is missing colors and blends the years together making it confusing.

Next the Yellow/red tracer for starter. This was easy as it was color coated. The other side of the switch circut is G/R in the k5 and Black in the F1. The wire is black from the F1 switch i am using. I put this black wire in the green/red 2 female connector in the bucket. The other end of this 2 female green and red connector goes to the clutch switch. Then it all goes back to the starter motor saftey unit.

Now the only wire I have left from my rh F1 switch is a black/red tracer. This wire is interupped when pressing the start switch.
f1 this wires goes directly to the 7a headlight fuse. but on the k5 there is no black and red. there is however what seems to be a on off for the headlight with a black power in and then exits to brown/white 4 female connector in the bucket.  This wire is confusing me as it has ground only no power. I am going to come back to this one, after i hook up the black with yellow headlight control  wire for the lh switch.



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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 09:35:53 AM »
The starting circuit works fine now but I still have no power anywhere on my headlight circuit. No power on the brown with red tracers at the fuse or switch or bucket. the brown with white 4 female connector in the bucket also still has no power. I know i need power here because it powers the tach/speedo lights. Im goin in circles here

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 11:09:31 AM »
As you stated I have the black/red from the rh start switch to one leg of the Headlight circuit brown with red. i do NOT have 12v here.
 Next the black with yellow tracer form the rh control is inserted in the other leg of the headlight circuit brown with red tracer.
 
I still have no power to headlight circuit. I also have the following extra wires

Single brown with white female. Has ground with key on only, otherwise dead circuit

4 way female connector with brown/white. Also has ground with key on only otherwise dead.

The two brown tach speedo wires. They have ground but i cannot get power for them.

The single Black female . Has voltage with key on only otherwise grounded.

 The un-used single brown that goes to tailights. I read your book mark and found where it stated it was for overseas use only.

I cannot figure out where the power for this circuit is supposed to come from.

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 11:39:16 PM »
As you stated I have the black/red from the rh start switch to one leg of the Headlight circuit brown with red. i do NOT have 12v here.
 Next the black with yellow tracer form the rh control is inserted in the other leg of the headlight circuit brown with red tracer.
 
I still have no power to headlight circuit. I also have the following extra wires

Single brown with white female. Has ground with key on only, otherwise dead circuit

4 way female connector with brown/white. Also has ground with key on only otherwise dead.

The two brown tach speedo wires. They have ground but i cannot get power for them.

The single Black female . Has voltage with key on only otherwise grounded.

 The un-used single brown that goes to tailights. I read your book mark and found where it stated it was for overseas use only.

I cannot figure out where the power for this circuit is supposed to come from.

I'm getting a little confused: maybe from your description of "Ground"? I'll give it a shot, though...and, I just looked closely at this schematic I linked: it is the one from Chilton, and is wrong (sorry!). They never could draw them correctly.

The lonely brown female receives power from the PARK position of the keyswitch, and is not used in US bikes. In Euro bikes, this goes to a little 3 watt light bulb in the bottom of the headlights they have: it is a parking light. You can ignore that one altogether.

The keywitch ties the Brn and Brn/Wht together when it is turned to ON (IGN) position. This passes power from the headlight bucket to the taillight, and to the other Brn/Wht circuits. These circuits are non-headlight "Lights", like taillight, instrument lights, and power to the turn signal switch. In a nutshell, that's the gist of the BRN family of wires.

BTW: any wire with a stripe in these bikes is a "switched" wire: this means it comes from something that must be switched ON to get power there. For example, those Blk/[something] wires from the START button: the button is fed with a solid BLK, but the wires coming back from it are Yel/Red for pressed IN, or Blk/Red for "unpressed" (as Honda used to call it). Solid color wires are 'feeds' (power or ground), striped wires are 'switched'. This 'method' is true for the whole bike, except the turn signals.

Back to the real questions: the BLK circuit will supply power to everything, in the headlight. This is because the Blk at the keyswitch gets connected to Red (battery) when turned only to IGN (ON) position. This Blk goes to the headlight bucket, and also to the voltage regulator, and, if your bike has one, an early Safety Module. Later Safety modules often don't have a Black, nor do post-1976 bikes.

Next: from the Blk in the headlight bucket , it goes to the Run/Off switch, the START button, the NEUTRAL light, and the turn beeper and horn, all on Blk.

The START button returns from the "unpressed" side on Blk/Red (or sometimes Blk/Yel) with 12 volts that should then go to the middle fuse on the fuseblock. This "unpressed" wire will show 12 volts when the START is not pressed, but the key is ON, IF THE BUTTON IS GOOD. Many are damaged from halogen headlights, and may not work in the unpressed state anymore. (Their nylon shell melts a little and the unpressed contacts don't meet). If yours is this way, it will need one of my 'relay kits' to solve the problem. This power will disappear when the START button is pressed. This wire must send power to the middle fuse on the fuseblock.

The Middle fuse (headlight power) wires are usually Brn/Red at the fuseblock, but may change to Blk/Red in the harness to the headlight, with harnesses from differing years (or even Blk/Brn). If you check them end to end with an ohmmeter, they will be easy to find (turn power off to search for them) for sure. So in this path, the unpressed START button sends this 12 volts to this middle fuse, then back to the headlight bucket, which then connects to the left Hi/Lo switch.

This Hi/Lo switch has a Brn/Red or Blk/Red that feeds the switch, and the returning wires are Blu (Hi) and Wht (Lo) beams. The Blu will meet up with a 3-way connection so it can light the "Hi" indicator on the dashboard, in addition to the headlight itself.

The turn signals: first, understand that they may be tied in with the running lamps in the front ones. These running lamps should turn off when the turn signal is set Left or Right, and back on when turn is cancelled. This makes things complex. The L-R switches (there are 2 of them in there, mechanically tied together) USUALLY get power from a Gry (flasher) and a Brn/Wht (running lamp power) wire in the headlight bucket.

Coming back from the L-R switch will be LtBlu (left) and an Org (right) wire, which are for the turn signals. If you have the complex L-R switch for cutting out the running lights, there will also be a LtBlu with Wht collar (left) and an Org with Wht collar (right) that plug into just the front running lamps.

I think that's all(?).
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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 12:03:44 PM »
Wow thanks for going the extra mile there for me. By "ground" I mean when probed with my power probe, It shows ground on that circuit. By wich i mean it has contunituy to the ground. I believe my problem is that I am not getting power  from the Black/red from the start switch. As you stated this is the power for the headlight circuit. It is brand new out of the package switch from Honda, but that dosent mean the contacts are good. The start button will make contact enough to start the bike however.  Im gonna ohm out that black/red wire to the start switch and check for contunity. I am attempting to wrap my head around it and dig back in. Ill keep you posted thanx again.

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A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 03:25:53 PM »
Sorry, but I have to hijack once:) I just installed a new starter button, and am having the same problem with my headlight not coming on. Hondaman, are you saying the button is not working properly in the "unpressed" position?

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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 11:22:00 PM »
Hmmm...I wonder if these parts are correct?

In the original setup, there is a Black wire that goes to the START button (technically, the "wiper" contact) that supplies the power. When the button is 'unpressed', this power is supposed to come out of the switch on the Blk/Red, supplying the headlight circuitry with power. When the START is 'pressed', this Blk/Red loses contact with the "wiper" of the switch and the 'wiper' contacts teh Starter circuit (most often this is Yel/Red, but can also be Blk/Yel from late 1977 onward).

To help confuse things, there is ANOTHER Blk wire in the same switch: this one feeds the Run/Off switch. So, on most of the bikes, there are 2 Blk wires feeding the right-side switch, for different circuits. Make sure you are testing the right one?

Enter the ultimate confusion factor here: in 1978, many of the K8 (and probably F3) bikes had just one Blk wire in this switch (as the switch actually came from a then-future bike), which fed BOTH the Start button and the Run/Off switch. In these particular switches, the Blk wire is a little thicker than the others for carrying the extra current.
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Re: A couple of wiring questions 1975 cb750k5
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 06:14:44 AM »
I believe I have figured it out, but wont know till this evening. When  I have the bike running. The short story. Either the headlights or electric start would work.  Not both. I am short 5 wires from the orig controls. Basically the whole problem is in the start switch. I bypassed the headlight kill function of the Rh switch and left the black/red wire UN- used. This black/red should have had IGN voltage but did not. Basically. I Jumped the "extra"black wire in the bucket directly to the brown/red headlight circuit. Thus eliminating the Rh control from the headlight circuit. Headlights are on all the time and they do not shut off when starting the bike with the electric start. Just the same as on a k4 where you can turn the lights on and off. This is the same as having the on off switch set to on. I'll make a better post when i verify all of the charging works etc.