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Your perfect carb setup.
« on: July 08, 2012, 05:14:34 PM »
 I see post here all the time with different carb issues So I thought I would start this. What carbs do you like the most. What if any thing would you change about them if you could. What do you hate about them and would make you change them out for another set ie different year bank If you could take this or that and make a perfect setup what would it be like. I would like to hear from only folks who have at least taken apart a set cleaned them up and put them back on.

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 05:35:42 PM »
I have taken the carbs off of my f3 twice.The first time was to clean them and the second time was to fix issues with the accelerator pump.
 The hardest part both times was getting the rack of carbs back on the bike.
 I hate the fact that the ams screws are on the bottom of the float bowls of the pd carbs this makes it impossible to get my hands in there with a short screwdriver.I hate the fact that these carbs need the stock airbox and restrictive exaust to work right.
 In the future I hope to install CR carbs,pods and a louder less restictive pipe.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 05:50:53 PM »
I have 78 pds I don't like the rubber that connects them to the engine. Would like to have a metal manifold with a groove for a gasket. do away with the hose clamps.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 05:58:03 PM »
 sounds good you make it ill buy it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2012, 09:29:38 PM »
Webers. ;D
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 09:32:04 PM »
Fuel injection.... 8)

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 09:36:29 PM »
FI would be nice. But that's wishful thinking.

I'd like for the boots between the bladder and carbs to be easier to put on.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2012, 09:41:11 PM »
I'm a firm believer in EFI, but injectors don't emulsify the fuel as well as a good carb. Some of the old mechanical FI setups ran very high fuel pressures, like 100 PSI, which blasted the fuel into a fine mist, but most EFI systems run much lower pressures. The injectors themselves are improving to the point that there is little difference, though.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2012, 10:08:00 PM »
I love 'em just the way they are. :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2012, 10:50:03 PM »
The problem with fuel injection on a motorcycle is all of the wires, electronic boxes and fuel hoses all over the place. That is why those sport bikes are covered with plastic panels.

I think the CR carbs are a nice set up. Clean and simple.
I wish the people that could afford them could trickle down some of the jetting info for us. I have not head a peep about that on this forum.

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 11:16:50 PM »
The problem with fuel injection on a motorcycle is all of the wires, electronic boxes and fuel hoses all over the place. That is why those sport bikes are covered with plastic panels.

I think the CR carbs are a nice set up. Clean and simple.
I wish the people that could afford them could trickle down some of the jetting info for us. I have not head a peep about that on this forum.

Lucky I don't know but I have read they are not a good choice for a daily rider. But for a bike that runs all out mostly WOT. Tell me what do you think? is it a crock full of bull. That is a lot of money if that is true. You have a lot of post on carbs so you would know better than I. Have you used them on a 78 750K?

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 11:37:30 PM »
 Webers for me.. 5 manifold choices if you can find them...I have 4 different ones right now in my shop.
 Aircleaners are  tough to mount, there was a few choices, but there is not much room.. bugeyes looked good but when the foam crumbled I stopped running them filters. I would mod a frame for a hotrod 750 to get 2 inch thick K&N's on there..
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 12:08:37 AM »
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The problem with fuel injection on a motorcycle is all of the wires, electronic boxes and fuel hoses all over the place. That is why those sport bikes are covered with plastic panels.

Lucky, Did you look at the picture i posted, does that look untidy, IMO it looks tidier than the old carbs and takes up less room, how many fuel injected bikes have you owned or ridden.? It is extremely easy to set injection up cleanly, the new electronic Boxes as you call them, are quite small, less than half the size of my Dyna 2000, hoses all over the place, i don't think so, 1 to the fuel rail and 1 return. The plastic panels on a sports bike have absolutely nothing to do with the injection system at all..

Frank, i have a manifold for weber's, i might just use it on my 3rd 750.

Mikuni RS style carbs are better on a street bike than CR's, far more adjustable and have accelerator pumps for instant throttle response...
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 04:30:23 AM »
Fuel injection.... 8)


That looks like the ideal setup!
Are you using an onboard O2 sensor?
How are you adjusting the map?
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 05:01:12 AM »
The problem with fuel injection on a motorcycle is all of the wires, electronic boxes and fuel hoses all over the place. That is why those sport bikes are covered with plastic panels.

My kids 98 cbr600 is carbureted but that didn't keep Honda from putting hoses and electronic gizmos all over the place.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 05:09:02 AM »
I mean, in all stock form the PD carbs are nice and simple.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 05:45:34 AM »
 What I do like about PD's is the accellerator pump plus you can monkey with the framerails above the carbs.. start moving them around with the older carbs and suddenly the wont open all the way... very important if you either mod those rails or are trying other tanks.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 01:37:39 PM »
Not to hijack, but... Hey Retro, did you make an adapter to fit an oil pressure gauge AND switch in the same galley port? Never seen that set up; about as trick as the fuel injection. And I couldn't resist being the first with this:

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 01:46:38 PM »
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The problem with fuel injection on a motorcycle is all of the wires, electronic boxes and fuel hoses all over the place. That is why those sport bikes are covered with plastic panels.

Lucky, Did you look at the picture i posted, does that look untidy, IMO it looks tidier than the old carbs and takes up less room, how many fuel injected bikes have you owned or ridden.? It is extremely easy to set injection up cleanly, the new electronic Boxes as you call them, are quite small, less than half the size of my Dyna 2000, hoses all over the place, i don't think so, 1 to the fuel rail and 1 return. The plastic panels on a sports bike have absolutely nothing to do with the injection system at all..

Frank, i have a manifold for weber's, i might just use it on my 3rd 750.

Mikuni RS style carbs are better on a street bike than CR's, far more adjustable and have accelerator pumps for instant throttle response...

The picture does look simple. Is that it? What kind of injectors are those???

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 02:17:07 PM »
I like my K0 with 4-1. When i got them clean and tuned, she runs like raped ape and carbs are easy to adjust and clean.
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 12:14:42 AM »
Fuel injection.... 8)


That looks like the ideal setup!
Are you using an onboard O2 sensor?
How are you adjusting the map?

Thats not my set up but when i remember who's it is i will post his forum name. I think they are GSXR600 injectors 2001-2003? . I will link the thread when i find it..
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 12:56:05 AM »
Found it, Midnight08 is the member and here is where i got the pics... ;)

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=80629.0
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