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Offline raymond10078

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The GOOD chemicals - going away
« on: July 30, 2012, 09:52:58 AM »
Over the weekend, I couldn't find CRC Brake Cleaner (in the red can) at Wal Mart.  Went to another Wal Mart - same thing.  A little searching on line found that the best cleaner (the red can - chlorinated version) is now limited to certain states.  My state IS NOT in the list - but it appears that the "good/best stuff" is being replaced by the new "green can".  This sucks!

In addition, went out to buy another gallon of Gunk Carb Cleaner - the "good stuff" and also found that nobody carries it in stock anymore.  I special ordered it - but I fear that this might be going away, too.  I'm thinking of ordering a couple more gallons of the "good stuff" before it is no more.

Anybody else experiencing this, too?

I've tried the "newer chemicals", and they don't clean as near as well . . . .

Just how much is a "life time" supply - I wonder . . . .
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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 11:39:38 AM »
In California, "the good stuff chemicals" have been steadily disappearing for the last 20 years.  Haven't been able to get really good carb cleaner for the last 15 years.
It's for the children, you know.  ::)

And yes, the new stuff doesn't work as well and costs more, too. (I believe the "costs more" is the real motivation.)
You see, the "upgrade" strategy worked so well, the technique was replicated for other chemicals and substances, in domino effect.
More to come, I'm certain.

Some History:
R-12 Freon: $1.50 per lb (16 oz.) pre-regulation, to $60 per pound plus licensing and disposal fees of $50 per lb.
Freeze 12 replacement is $15-$25 per 12oz. (A more than 10 fold consumer cost increase.)
Alternate replacement R-134a is $15 per 12oz.  Plus $200-$500 system conversion costs.

But, there's more...
7% Sales tax on $1.50 = $0.105
7% sales tax on $15.00 = $1.05
Could politicians have seen that before enacting laws?

Then there are all the middlemen in distribution channels that get their percentage of any dollar value of goods exchanged.  10% of a larger number is a larger profit. (On which, state and fed income tax collects a greater amount of, too.)

See how that works, and why "green" has been eagerly allowed to grow into a big business?  How perfectly natural to dig deeper into consumer's pockets, without much resistance.  (It's for their own "good", after all.)

Economic slavery is just another form of slavery, (which has been going on since man stood upright and began living in support groups.)

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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 12:19:06 PM »
I KNOW!!!! How dare they get rid of DDT!!!!!

It worked great! Well, maybe a little too great.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 12:26:56 PM »
Can't see this thread going very far without getting political, but we shall see. Just keep in mind the forum rules against such.  ;)
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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 12:58:13 PM »
Yeah I see all those warnings on stuff I buy.  "Known in the state of California to cause cancer and reproductive health issues" or something along those lines.  It's good those things aren't known in the state of Florida or I'd probably already have long term health effects already...  :)  Oh well, heat up the carbs in lemon juice on the stove and dump the molasses in your gas tank!
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 01:47:00 PM »
I KNOW!!!! How dare they get rid of DDT!!!!!

It worked great! Well, maybe a little too great.

Actually I just learned, that DDT story is a bit different from public knowledge. On the beginning there was a book called Silent Spring. You could, or maybe I could call it the Inconvinient truth of its days. Since there was something to it, but it was not all bad. DDT should have been regulated, not banned. The study I read was showing the impact of DDT ban on malaria and the numbers were ugly.
It compare it to Mein Kampf, with several times greater impact on humans death.

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 01:51:35 PM »
Silent Spring and Mein Kampf, interesting comparison.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 02:56:21 PM »


Silent Spring and Mein Kampf, interesting comparison.

Wouldn't that make it a 'Silent, Springtime for Hitler'?


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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 03:10:56 PM »
You dirty dog you!!!!  ;D
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The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 03:30:59 PM »
A lot of this comes down to the end user.  When idiots are dumping their dirty chems down storm drains and businesses are dumping in rivers and streams then you get draconian regs. 

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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2012, 03:53:04 PM »
In California, "the good stuff chemicals" have been steadily disappearing for the last 20 years.  Haven't been able to get really good carb cleaner for the last 15 years.
It's for the children, you know.  ::)

And yes, the new stuff doesn't work as well and costs more, too. (I believe the "costs more" is the real motivation.)
You see, the "upgrade" strategy worked so well, the technique was replicated for other chemicals and substances, in domino effect.
More to come, I'm certain.

Some History:
R-12 Freon: $1.50 per lb (16 oz.) pre-regulation, to $60 per pound plus licensing and disposal fees of $50 per lb.
Freeze 12 replacement is $15-$25 per 12oz. (A more than 10 fold consumer cost increase.)
Alternate replacement R-134a is $15 per 12oz.  Plus $200-$500 system conversion costs.

But, there's more...
7% Sales tax on $1.50 = $0.105
7% sales tax on $15.00 = $1.05
Could politicians have seen that before enacting laws?

Then there are all the middlemen in distribution channels that get their percentage of any dollar value of goods exchanged.  10% of a larger number is a larger profit. (On which, state and fed income tax collects a greater amount of, too.)

See how that works, and why "green" has been eagerly allowed to grow into a big business?  How perfectly natural to dig deeper into consumer's pockets, without much resistance.  (It's for their own "good", after all.)

Economic slavery is just another form of slavery, (which has been going on since man stood upright and began living in support groups.)

Happy thoughts!  ;D

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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 02:59:43 PM »
I KNOW!!!! How dare they get rid of DDT!!!!!

It worked great! Well, maybe a little too great.

we have 2 jugs of old spray at work i walked pass them for 11yrs and one day decided to read what was in them and you'll never guess what chemical was in there ddt.my boss is one of those old guys that never throws things away.
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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 09:44:56 PM »
Not only the automotive field has gotten beat up by government regulations. polyurethane,paint and many other building products have been effected. The "new and improved,safer for the environment and health,and especially the natural products don't work well. They usually take more effort to use ,have a higher failure rate during application, and have nowheres near the wearability that the original formula used to have.
  Gasoline, diesel fuel ( just as a reminder) are products that have been ruined by gov regs. Example: Trip from upstate NY to philly 3/4 of a tank of real gas, the trip home after refueling with 10% alcohol is a  full tank and a splash. Can't see how they offer 93 octaine unless they started the mix with jet  fuel.
Like it wasn't bad enough when we had to ween our older engines on no lead gas.( you know ,the stuff that we clean off our valves, that stuff was in gas to seal the valves)
   low sulfer diesel fuel may carry the same cetane rating as real diesel but has no power,no lube for injector pumps , and for some reason, more susceptible to bacterial growth, ruining filters,injectors,tanks and fuel lines.
   I can't understand why an outfit that has no product ,never has a profit, and always on the brink of bankruptcy , and probably haven't used most of these effected products, could have the power to make manufactures change the product for a less effective product,  and yes as noted at a higher cost.
   I guess one could say that US products are only as effective as the government that changed the rules.
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Re: The GOOD chemicals - going away
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 10:04:34 PM »
3M brake clean is the same way. We use it at work, and there's a huge list of states it can't be sold in on the side of the box.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2012, 01:54:18 AM »
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I guess one could say that US products are only as effective as the government that changed the rules.

Really..!!   Bush and his cronies screwed your economy, and for your information, the rest of the world has banned the same chemicals.

Also the low sulphur diesel does not screw injector pumps, the rubber seals dry up and fail, there are new seals available and have been for 20 years..  My diesel vehicles go very well {turbo diesel} and after replacing the seals about 8 years ago, i haven't had a problem with either vehicle, no difference in performance either....
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 02:47:07 AM »
with lead removed from petrol valves/exhaust systems and plugs last longer and so do bottom ends without the acid attack from unburnt lead in fuel,the ethanol fuel is rubbish though,we still have unleaded without ethanol here and its great.

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 02:53:17 AM »
Thread locked as promised. What part of "no politics" do folks not understand?
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