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Offline MarkM

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75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« on: July 10, 2012, 10:25:23 AM »
my 75' CB550 will start and run as long as I keep the throttle open...just a bit.  Any suggestions on what to check for this issue?  I've been trying to "search" the forum but nothing is returning in my query, guessing I'm doing something wrong...could use a hand there too please.

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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 10:31:45 AM »
Sketchy info to make a problem guess for a bike with 35 years of history.

Perhaps the pilot jets in the carbs are clogged?

Gas tank rusty?

Some of the head pipes are cold?

Using the choke backwards?
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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 10:35:54 AM »
Turn up the idle a bit so it will run and start working backwards to find the solution. Check everything you can think of ii had this problem once and it was had a a airleak on one of my pod filters lol
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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 11:17:08 AM »
Thanks Gurp and TwoT!!  Carbs were off the bike installing new carb-airbox boots approx. two weeks ago.  Removed float covers and main and slow jets, soaked then needle cleaned the slows before reinstalling with the new boots.  Put a new hose on from the valve cover to airbox at this time too.  Didn't see any cracks in the boots from head to carbs and everything is tight.
Needs the cam chain tightened so I printed the instructions from SOHC-550 but other than this it was a running...and idling machine prior to the airbox boot swap and carb clean.  Also, did not remove the tops of any of the carbs or disturb the linkage.  Wondering would a loose or incorrectly set linkage (throttle cables) cause this? 
Thank you both again.

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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 11:22:20 AM »
Oops, TwoT, I left out a couple of your suggestions.  All headers are hot...water splash tested.  Tank is not coated and does have minor surface rust in it.  Does anyone know if there's a "screen" or filter in the petcock?  There are two "in-line" small, clear, plastic fuel filters in each fuel line between the petcock and the fuel hookup on the carbs.   One thing I've noticed too, it seems to "run-out" of fuel on the regular tank and when I switch over to reserve it runs fine.  Could I have the two fuel lines backwards by chance?  As to the choke, I put the carbs on where the choke lever is on the lefthand side of the bike and the lever is in the downward position.  Again, I didn't disassemble the carb bank and did not touch the choke mech when I had the carbs off and cleaned the bottom ends.

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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 12:11:45 PM »
Do check the carb boots to manifold for proper seal.  Squirt WD40 at the junction point to see if the engine speed changes.

You should be able to twist the idle speed knob so you don't have to hold the throttle.
The exception is that when cold, the engine needs more throttle opening than when hot.  This is normal, as the choke has no direct coupling to the throttle.  The idle speed is normally set when the engine is at full operating temperature.

When you cleaned the pilot jets, did you check that light could pass through them for proof, you did you just assume they were clear?

Both the fuel valve outlets are in parallel.  The fuel just falls out the nearest one from source supply first.
Originally there was a "sock type" filter in the tank.  If it is in proper condition, you simply do not need inline fuel filters.  However, Mr. Ham hands frequently destroys this fuel valve assembly, assembles it wrong, and leaves essential parts on the work bench in favor of a joy ride.
For this model, the filter sock was integral with the "stand pipe" inside the tank and has a "D" interface with the fuel valve, replete with "D" shaped gasket.  If assembled correctly and with the proper parts, the stand pipe feeds fuel to both outlets, until the tank level falls below the stand pipe.  In transition, the nearest outlet tends to get more fuel than the far, which starves two carbs first.  Switching to reserve feed from the tank bottom, again to both outlet.  Nearing complete empty, again one outlet pipe gets cheated by gravity.  Related, is the tank design which drape over the frame causing two low points.  The far side can have a higher level as the tank empties.  Stopping/starting sloshes fuel over the hump, which tends to even things out.  When the bike is stationary or lacks forward/rearward inertia changes, the far side typically has more fuel left after the valve side has drained dry.

Choke is on for starting in the up position and down or off for the run position.  This arrangement has confused some people who have never seen (or read) the owner's manual.

When you get the idle speed down to 1000, do the header heat test again.  The pilot system can be overcome with fuel from the throttle valve supply at higher throttle setting.  So, a pipe can be hot with throttle open and cold at idle if the pilot system is still plugged.  The opposite can also occur, but is less likely.

Kind of a shame you don't know about the mains emulsion tube cleaning status.

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Re: 75' 550 Runs but won't idle...any suggestions?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 12:44:02 PM »
I will try the WD-40 test tonight with the idle adjustment turned up so as not to have to hold the throttle open to keep it running.  I did check the pilot jets in the light, it was the only way to see if there were clear...at least in my mind seemed the only way, those holes are so small.  Should I drain and disassemble the petcock and look for the "sock"?  Sounds like you are suggesting I should look in case my predecessor wasn't in a hurry for a joy ride....that day.  Will make sure to slosh the gas about evenly prior to anything.  Then I'll start researching "mains emulsion tube cleaning".
Thank you for your help TwoTired.

Mark