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My question is does anything here seem out of place. Ill try to fill in as much as possible. Please let me know if any other information is needed.
PO said he thinks it came from eastern europe, dont recall which country. ex-soviet block.

1972 cb500.

Running 649a carbs.

main jet 125
slow jet 40
needle clip at 4th from top
4-1 exhaust
uni filter oem replacement

no tool tray to cover airfilter box

from my research on this forum the clip and the 125 seem out of place. Any thoughts please. :)
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Re: Settings Question. Rebuilding carbs on project bike. 72 cb500
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 12:47:32 PM »
In some European countries like Germany, Holland, Switzerland, Italy the CB500 had the 649A carbs. They had main jets #78, slow jets #40, the needle clip in the middle (3rd) and had a lid over the airfilterbox.
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Re: Settings Question. Rebuilding carbs on project bike. 72 cb500
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 12:56:51 PM »
QUOTE "PO said he thinks it came from eastern europe"

What are the numbers on the carbs? Mechanics need facts not stories.

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Re: Settings Question. Rebuilding carbs on project bike. 72 cb500
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 01:44:01 PM »
In addition to facts, some mechanics also need glasses, to read the facts presented in front of them. :P

Carburetors should be tuned for what the engine wants, not by a manual or by what a forum says "should" be in it.  This will require running it and seeing how it performs.  Pain in the ass, especially if you have to take the carbs back off to change jets, but consider that you have no idea where this thing has really been- 40 years is a lot of time.  The engine could have a cam in it, the ED carbs might have been found and tuned to the engine, etc.

In a general sense though, we can say with confidence that if you don't have the restricted air intake like the ED/G bikes did (so the listed 78 mainjet for those carbs is irrelevant to you now), and if you're running aftermarket 4-1, then you will need to up the jet beyond stock, which we could consider to be ~100.  Combine this rule of thumb with some oddball carbs like you have (there may be other differences in these carbs, like emulsion tubes and needle profile), and I can see you running a 125 mainjet, even though that seems "big."  I would clean the carbs, reassemble with fresh gaskets, and see how it runs.  You might be pleasantly surprised.

I'd leave the needle alone too.  3rd position is stock IIRC, one notch higher to compensate for the air filter and pipe sounds reasonable to me.
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Re: Settings Question. Rebuilding carbs on project bike. 72 cb500
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 02:50:16 PM »
thanks for the replies.  Thr carbs are off for thorough cleaning and gasket/oring replacement. That was why I was curious if this combination seemed way off as i only found this during cleaning. Furthermore I havent been able to ride/run the bike yet. Was just asking for the "book value" for a baseline for.these csrbs. Like i said thr carbs are 649A's and 125/40 seemed to be way off.  Reasearch said 78/40 was stock and.was curious what factors might have dictated the larger jetting.

 Going to reassemble thr carbs later. Emulsion tubr and slow jet were very much blocked. I think that explains my lack of idle. About to bench set them. But i am going on to be pulling the engine next during my rebuild .  Guess I'll have to.install them quickly before i do the engine disassembly.

Btw thanks for the llng posg andrew. I guess the 125 seems plausible based on thr increased flow.

Ps. Cant type on phone well..