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Tachometer rebuild thread
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:27:29 AM »
OK people here's what I've found. I had on tach break weirdly, the shaft broke off while going down the road and my replacement just isn't reading correctly at all. It seemed really sluggish while making any change in rpm, up or down. I tore my broken tach apart to figure out how it all worked and see what would cause it to move so sluggishly. i did find a few things out from this, but more or less it just gave me the confidence to tear into and try to improve my working tach.

Here it is untouched. I dont mind a faded face so it won't be changed, but it be changed very during this process if you wanted too.


I chose to try and cut this one open. I used a cut off on a dremel and carefully cut through the retaining ring.


The ring was then pried off with a small screw driver.


I then pried open with a small screw driver. I had to fight it a bit, but just stay patient and give it few minutes. It's not too bad. The black upper ring came off first on mine and this is what i was left with.


I then pulled the rubber sealing ring back a little bit and pried the upper part of the case off, with a small screw driver again.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 01:35:37 AM by Lamp »
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 02:09:16 AM »
After that is removed you're left with this.


Working with it attached to the lower part of the case is pretty difficult, so just flip it over and take these 2 screws out.


Then I needed to remove the needle. I tried prying it off but that was damaging the face, so I removed the 2 screws for the face plate tilted it so I could get a small flat head screw driver under it, and used the screw driver like a small drift to push the needle off the shaft.


Here are all of the main parts. The "J" looking metal line is the stop (0 rpm) and it is attached to a shield that covers a tin disc.The disc is attached to a shaft. The shaft has a spring on it that keeps the tach at 0 while not running and provides resistance. Below the tin disc is a magnet, the magnet is what's connected to your tach cable. The faster the magnet spins, the stronger the magnetic flied between the magnet and tin disc gets, which makes the tach move. The resistance from the springs means the magnet must spin fast to move the shaft futher clockwise.


I then moved the shield. To do this I just removed the 2 screws closest to tach cable mount.


When I got it off I jlooked to over and found some slight signs of rubbing on it.


I then moved the needle again and it was returning slightly faster, but still pretty slow.


I then sprayed some wd40 down the shaft hole through hole on the top plate and on the bottom of the top plate. After that I pack some white luberplate grease in both sides.


The needle moves freely now and returns very quickly. Luckily I had another dics cover from the other tach I took apart, that happend to be in better shape. I installed it and it still moved freely and returned quickly. If you don't have a spare you could bend the tabs up slighty to pull the cover away from the disc, or sand the inside of the cove down a touch.

Now this is by far the hardest part. Getting epoxy in that ring, mounting the ring, and securing it with a large hose clamp. Again just take your time, and be ready for a fight. That ring just doesn't  wanna stay in plce for some reason.


Let it set up over night and that is that. take the clamp off and mount the tach back up. I haven't tried mine yet but i have high hopes. I plan on mounting it up and tring it out tomorrow.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 06:18:18 AM »
FYI in that little "pot" above the return spring is a heavy oil for damping the gauge against needle bounce, the cheap aftermarket gauges are missing this and hence they bounce all over the place.  This oil can disappear after 30-40 years, it either evaporates or runs out if the gauges are stored face down, there is a thread on this site regarding what oil to use in there, I think from memory the nearest equivilent is silicon diff oil from nitro RC cars.  It is a good idea to replace this oil while the gauge is apart.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 08:07:56 AM »
I haven't tried mine yet but i have high hopes. I plan on mounting it up and tring it out tomorrow.

A nice effort.  Thanks. Lets us know how it works.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 10:35:33 AM »
TY for posting this.  Can the other components be disassembled further, to clean or re-lube them?  I'll need to find a hobby shop that has that silicone differential fluid.

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 12:13:26 PM »
They can be disassbled further, but you have cut the 2 crimped tabs that hold the top plate down and then tack weld it back in place. The spring is also made out very thin metal and can easily be damaged. The further you this the riskier it gets. I wouldn't worry to much about filling that little barrel with oil. The weight of it only will provide some damping, well better than nothing.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 01:09:59 PM »
Well it's a lot more trust worthy than before but I should have tried to fill the little damper barrel with oil. It's super accurate while climbing or decelerating, but bounces around while cruising. Oh well I'm happy. I don't have to worry so much about over reving it now.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 03:15:27 AM »
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=78890.0

Here is a link covering the refilling of that little damper pot. ;D
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 12:28:47 PM »
You should use a much thicker oil. I use 50,000 viscosity and that works great.



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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 03:59:29 AM »
I was going to refill my damper pots, I even went out and bought the oil.  Then halfway through the job I decided to put Speedhut electronic gauges in it.  The best decision I ever made.  ;D

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 09:47:44 AM »
...I did a K0 tacho a few days ago and I found an absolutely empty damping pot, needle returns with heavy impact clicking  :o
I disassembled  the hole thing and filled up the pot and put everything back together. It is working PERFECT now  ;D

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 12:46:50 PM »
Z1 makes a chrome ring that has a screw on it for redoing these old gauges.
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 02:03:44 PM »
Z1 makes a chrome ring that has a screw on it for redoing these old gauges.
Can u point me to the part on Z1 site for this? Or is it not a listed item? Trolled their site for ages - can't find this..
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Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 02:06:46 PM »
Joker Machine also makes rings to re join the gauges. A bit pricey though.
http://www.jokermachine.com/itemcafe2004.asp?ItemID=787&CategoryID=85&Placeholder=
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 03:49:06 PM »
Does anyone have a source for the silcone oil?
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 06:49:25 PM »
I just uncrimped and re-crimper mine yesterday.

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 03:39:12 AM »
Does anyone have a source for the silcone oil?
RC car diff oil ;)
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 06:58:56 AM »
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 10:16:22 AM »
Call the next Speedo-Restauration-Shop and order a pump full of silicon oil, I paid ~2€ or 4€ for 5ccm special oil and the pump is still half full/empty and I did a lot of cb750 gauges.

Good luck...Georg

PS: DO NOT OVERFILL THE LITTLE POT!!!

Does anyone have a source for the silicone oil?
RC car diff oil ;)
Ah, ok. Thx.  $8 from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/OFNA-Racing-Silicone-Differential-Oil/dp/B0006O7MII
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2012, 10:50:39 PM »
Hi !
How many oil must be filed inside  -i will bore a 0,8mm hole inside and put oil in with Insulin injection 1ml -graduated .My another Instrument -for Km/h had very thin resevoar for oil ? Can i test gauges after refilling with 50000 oil with drill if worked properly ,before final asembling ?
Thanks gsb

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 12:16:47 AM »
Yoikes...>$$$$$$....too muchee.
Joker Machine also makes rings to re join the gauges. A bit pricey though.
http://www.jokermachine.com/itemcafe2004.asp?ItemID=787&CategoryID=85&Placeholder=

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 07:28:31 AM »
You should have got new gauge faces for your restoration like I did. You can get them on E-Bay.

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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 08:28:30 AM »
Z1 makes a chrome ring that has a screw on it for redoing these old gauges.
Can u point me to the part on Z1 site for this? Or is it not a listed item? Trolled their site for ages - can't find this..
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Re: Tachometer rebuild thread
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 08:46:01 AM »
Hi !
How many oil must be filed inside  -i will bore a 0,8mm hole inside and put oil in with Insulin injection 1ml -graduated .My another Instrument -for Km/h had very thin resevoar for oil ? Can i test gauges after refilling with 50000 oil with drill if worked properly ,before final asembling ?
Thanks gsb

I use a syringe with a shortened needle. That works fine. The needle has a 1.2mm thickness.